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At Seattle's gun buyback in late January, gun dealers showed up offering cash for weapons while people waited in line. Mayor Mike McGinn says that will not happen again. (AP Photo/file)

Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn: No more sidewalk gun sales

At Seattle's gun buyback in late January, gun dealers showed up offering cash for weapons while people waited in line. Mayor Mike McGinn says that will not happen again.

"I can assure you that the next time that we do a gun buyback, and we do intend to do another one, we can shut it down," McGinn tells Seattle's Morning News.

The impromptu gun bazaar on the the sidewalk near the buyback location upset McGinn and other leaders who organized the buyback, which offered gift certificates in exchange for unwanted firearms.

The mayor said on Friday that he investigated whether the city had the authority to prevent the private gun buys. McGinn tells KIRO Radio the city can issue a $500 fine for people doing business in city right of way without a license (SMC 15.17.).

"We can prevent that gun bazaar the next time. I went to my attorney in my office and I said, 'Carl, next time we do one of these, what's my authority to stop it? If I don't have authority, I'm going to ask the city council to get authority.' And he found me some authority and we're going to shut it down next time," said McGinn.

McGinn is still defending gun buyback programs. He acknowledged that the buybacks alone won't make a significant dent in gun violence. But he points out that many gun accidents happen at home.

"We just took 719 weapons off the street that people didn't want in their homes."

The mayor said he also supports efforts in the state legislature to require background checks on all gun sales.

Tim Haeck, KIRO Radio Reporter
Tim Haeck is a news reporter with KIRO Radio. While Tim is one of our go-to, no-nonsense reporters, he also has a sensationally dry sense of humor and it will surprise some to learn he is a weekend warrior.
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  • manimal wrote...
    So..
    What exactly is the city's authority, then? I'm pretty sure that there is none. Private firearms sales are legal in Washington. Does the mayor plan to violate the state constitution again such as he did with city park gun bans, and waste the taxpayer's time and money on defending the city in a legal case should the state come to smack them down again?
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  • The Dude Abides wrote...
    manimal...
    Obviously you can't read, and therefore probably shouldn't own a gun. The article clearly states that the city has the right to fine people who do business in city right of way without a license, which also means that they can shut down that business until they get that license. Of course, now that they know what they need to do, those people who try to buy guns next year in this fashion will just go downtown and get a license. Hopefully, the mayor will find a way to gain more authority to legally put a stop to this crap by the time the next buyback rolls around.
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  • manimal wrote...
    Dude
    I read the article. That information was not part of the original content - see the 1:25PM update notice. Thanks for insulting me, though.
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  • The Dude Abides wrote...
    Manimal
    My apologies. If that information was not in the original article, then my comments about you were unwarrented. Even if our views about this issue are different, you didn't deserve the insult if the information wasn't originally there. Consider the comment withdrawn.
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  • NWresident wrote...
    Interesting
    If you look at 15.17 that is stated in the article http://clerk.seattle.gov/~public/toc/15-17.htm it talks about vending without a license on a street or sidewalk is what can get you fined, and vending is defined as selling, so if you are in a parking lot by the code you are OK, and it is the person selling that would get the fine, not those buying.
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  • AKAF wrote...
    Side step the issue and just have a reverse garage sale...
    Find a near-by homeowner with the same values, get a city permit to sell goods at a garage sale and then buy, buy, buy.
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  • Justin_Tyme wrote...
    Dude
    And yet you're still wrong. The law applies to vending not private transactions. The city attorney and the mayor are trying to pull a fast one and hope that no one challenges this decision since at best the buyers are making a minimal profit if any at all. Legal fees being what they are they may get away with it but that doesn't mean it's legal.
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  • Rodger Young wrote...
    Vending
    a buyer is not vending and buying for personal use is not business. Smells like lawsuit to me. Time to get my attorney brothers lined up for the next, so-called, buy back.
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  • deltta wrote...
    Does the city or SPD have a FFL?
    Seems to me they would need one if they are purchasing firearms
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  • Rodger Young wrote...
    FFL
    No, unless they were buying from a manufacturer or wholesaler. If they then turn the guns over to a FFL dealer for store credit or other compensation then their need for an FFL would be clearer. An FFL is not needed for private purchases.
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  • clrcopy wrote...
    Sooo...
    tell me why the gun back program works? Seriously? Have you seen what is usually bought, you do realize the chances of ANY of those firearms ever being used in a crime are the closest to 0 that could be had. It's the next step to the ATF setting up a sting and paying MORE for guns than they were worth in order to catch bad guys... what happened, good guys went to sporting goods store, bought the guns legally then turned around and sold them to the ATF for more money, and just kept doing it. STOP THE CRIMINALS, prosecute them, keep them in prison, and you will see violent crimes go down, couple that with more conceal carry, law abiding citizens with guns do hold violent crime down, as it's show in every state that has enacted it. Those that don't know history are damned to repeat it... personally, I don't want another Hitler registration/confiscation in THIS country, but we are heading there very fast.
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  • R L M 456 wrote...
    THIS is what is wrong with Seattle
    City Hall AND Seattle Police

    They Think they can do whatever they please

    current laws have NO Meaning or accountability for

    the ALMIGHTY self-appointed Lawgivers

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  • SeattleJack wrote...
    This whole thing is just for show anyway
    All the research done on gun buybacks shows it doesn't have any effect on crime. The city officials have the same access to that research as I do. They know it doesn't do squat, but it makes them look like they're taking bold, decisive action.
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  • AKAF wrote...
    For the mayor's defense
    The city park bans was the previous mayor...not this one. However, it looks like this mayor is walking step in step with the previous mayor.
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  • deltta wrote...
    Alright mayor
    Due tell, exactly what authority? Also why hasn't SPD made any comment on why there weren't any "assault" rifles brought in? Also, why no clarification on the street sweepers and the real reason they were turned in? Did the chiefs Glock turn up, or any of the other service weapons SPD has lost recently?
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  • Ron_Spins wrote...
    They will adapt ! !
    So then buy from trunks of cars , around the corner , from over there ..Why claim it's a sidewalk gun sale? B.T.W the guns on the street thing is getting "shopworn".
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  • GoldFish wrote...
    This is dumb
    all dealers will have to do is set up an alternate location to have this impromptu gun "bazaar" and then inform people in line for the gun buyback where they can go to sell their guns for more than an freakin giftcard. Not to mention the gun buyback is just all around dumb idea, with or without these dealers buying guns.
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  • CldWtrSrf wrote...
    GoldFish wrote "Not to mention the gun buyback is just all around dumb idea, with or without these dealers buying guns."
    Since when did something being a dumb or ineffective idea EVER stop a politician, Republican or Democrat but ESPECIALLY a so called "Liberal" from doing it? NEVER. Especially if it makes them feel all warm and tingly and further pushes an agenda that ends in domination and tyranny. For the so called "Liberals" of today are NOTHING like what REAL Liberals are. No, they are nothing more than Totalitarian Fascists with big dreams of being Tin-Pot Dictators.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    2 types of people participate in gun buyback programs
    The first type are the folks that know exactly how much their gun is worth and realize that it's either broken or not worth as much as the police are willing to pay... the second type are the morons that don't know what they have and are scared of their own shadow and the news told them to be afraid of guns so they figure they'll just get rid of that "oh so dangerous" gun that they never used anyways... that's it, responsible owners are not afraid of guns, and smart owners know how much their guns are worth and aren't stupid enough to give them away for a gift certificate.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Oh i forgot about the 3rd type....
    I'm sure there's yet another group of people that are criminals, that stole those guns in the first place and now have a simple means of selling the guns, since these are "no questions asked" buyback programs and pawn shops etc. might turn them in, this may be a way they can offload the guns they stole... question... if this happen does that mean the city of Seattle, the mayor in particular is guilty of recieving stolen property?
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  • Bucket Dad wrote...
    That brings up a real good question
    Ok,no questions asked. I get it. But does SPD actually check, and test fire the weapon it does buy back to see if it was used in a crime? Or is the city so anxious to get a weapon for political show that it is willing to let a crime go unsolved? Because if I was to write a script for a television detective show, I would have the killer simply show up at a gun buy-back and know that the murder weapon was destroyed by the police, no questions asked.
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  • calapete wrote...
    4th type
    people who are sick of gun violence, who dont want to have their guns used on them which happens more often than the the gun owner uses it on the criminal.
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  • kato1967 wrote...
    That is a lie.
    Quit lying.
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  • calapete wrote...
    ok cowboy, how many home invasions, mass school shooting or armed robberies have you stopped?
    fact.

    For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.

    In 2011, nearly 10 times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.

    In one survey, nearly 1% of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at their claims found that more than 50% involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.

    A Philadelphia study found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.

    In 2010, nearly 6 times more women were shot by husbands, boyfriends, and ex-partners than murdered by male strangers.

    A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than 7 times if he has access to a gun.

    Around 40% of all legal gun sales involve private sellers and don't require background checks.

    40% of prison inmates who used guns in their crimes got them this way.

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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Everybody stop what you're doing!!!!
    Calapete has found a way to link Guns to shootings!!!! Good Lord, Calapete you're on here every day trying to spew your idiotic nonsense blaming guns for every problem... The bottom line remains the same, Guns are a tool, the user is what determines how they are used, you can spout whatever statistic you want, the bottom line is we know that bad people use guns in bad ways, but as a free society we accept that it comes with a risk, as many have said before, Cars kill more people than guns do, drunk drivers kill more people than guns do, but we're not banning cars OR banning alcohol... it's the same here, the price of living in a free society is that bad people will abuse those freedoms... It is what it is. You know it's not like if you take away guns all the violence will go away and all the bad people will stop being bad... Look at England, they banned guns, Guess what, they have the highest rate of Homocide by stabbings in the WORLD!!!! ..... I personally am not a proponent of taking away everybody's freedom because a small few cannot or do not respect the rights they are given. Maybe you want the Government to limit all of our freedoms and take away your rights to make you "safer" and maybe you want the rules/laws to make it a little bit harder for the lowest common denominators in society to be dangerous but I don't, you don't change the laws for everbody to try and stop the 1/10th of 1% from doing wrong. Unless your a moron like yourself.
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  • HPD 5-0 wrote...
    Well said, Cbrew.
    But your trying to explain things to a fascist.
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  • calapete wrote...
    facts are facts
    and facts are not on your side.

    Why don't you try comparing guns to cars again. You know, those cars that have new safety features added every year. Cars that have a registration in a database, cars that are NOT intended to kill people, yet are 1000% times more regulated than weapons.

    But hey, don't listen to me, listen to the guy who lied to get out of Vietnam. Some would call him a draft dodger. But you call him you Leader, aka Wayne LaPierre.

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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Calapete, you make it too easy....
    But i guess it's not your fault, you're arguing for a flawed cause. First of all, they have created all sorts of new features for guns to make them safer, i.e. safety locks, gun cases etc. they're even developing biometrics that will make it so only the gun owner can fire the weapon... You mention cars have more regulations.. not really, you willingly register your car every year, you technically don't have to it's on the owner, also, I would argue that the VAST majority of guns are purchased by people NEVER intending to kill anyone with them, Cars are no different, and you mention these safety features on cars, but just like guns, those features do nothing to stop bad people from doing harm with them... Cars work the same for a drunk driver as they do for a sober driver and guns work for a gang banger just like a cop... You're trying to fight facts with ignorance, and you're failing miserably, by the way, i'm no member of the NRA, I don't need any association except CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA To Know and enjoy my rights.
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  • Rick W7PSK wrote...
    Calpete is one that would give up all his freedom
    and Liberty for a little safety.

    America was founded on Freedom from Tyrants, the Constitution is built to protect them. Because you want to live in a socialist or Communist Hell hole where nobody but the Elites owned everything and had all the money and want to be Mother Protected by your Nanny Government means we want to.

    Living life to its fullest is hard. If your so worried about being hurt please feel free to buy yourself a small island and wrap your self in bubble wrap and enjoy.

    Your 10,000 times more likely to die to a car or falling the the tub than by being shot.

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  • calapete wrote...
    and back to to the 4th amendment we go.
    Why aren't you protesting the Patriot Act and the warrant less wire tap program that weaken your 4th amendment rights?

    because gun owners falsely hide behind the Constitution.

    Just say you like guns, not that you are defending the Constitution, cause you are not.

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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Calapete, who says we aren't or didn't?
    You keep trying to defend your cowardess by trying to say that people who defend the second amendment didn't do enough to defend the 4th amendment. You understand that not many people supported that Act? Bush left office with a 30% approval rating, and even those who supported him didn't necessarily agree with the Patriot Act... FURTHERMORE AND THIS IS THE KICKER... HOW STUPID ARE YOU!? to sit there and try to call defenders of the second Amendment hypocritical for not defending the 4th amendment when YOU'RE sitting here defending the 4th amendment and TRASHING on the second Amendment, You're so hypocritical it's rediculous, You just outted yourself in this post, how stupid are you? Seriously dude, take a look in the mirror, is the Coward you see in your reflection the man you really want to be?
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  • calapete wrote...
    i never said i wanted the second amendment repealed.
    I support background checks for ALL gun sales.

    Ban assault weapons and hand guns.

    One strike when it comes to gun offenses, accidental discharge, stolen gun, whatever, you lose your right to carry.

    I don't make the laws. Best guess is that the assault ban fails, but the background check will pass. Life is a compromise.

    Lastly, in regard to ALL the increase in gun owners. It isn't. It's the same people just buying more guns. You are the minority.

    More guns are being sold, but they're owned by a shrinking portion of the population.

    About 50% of Americans said they had a gun in their homes in 1973. Today, about 45% say they do. Overall, 35% of Americans personally own a gun.

    Around 80% of gun owners are men. On average they own 7.9 guns each.

    Now be responsible this weekend please. Someones life depends on it.

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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Calapete and his "Stats"
    you're an accountant huh? anyways to your comment, yes you are attacking the second Amendment, by saying you think there should be a ban on hand guns and assault weapons in this country, that is a direct assault on our 2nd amendment and yes that does make you a hypocrite and obviously a coward. basically what you're saying is that the second Amendment, which is supposed allow the public to be armed... to allow the public to act as a check/balance to the Government, to ensure it does not become tyrranical... you're saying it's all nonsense, you're saying that the only means our public should have to defend itself is shotguns and old single-shot rifles... it's a joke. Is the reason you're so afraid of the second amendment just that you're so much of a coward you know that if you ever had to defend your freedom you'd curl up in a little ball anyway and do nothing? Seriously, you're such a pu55y.
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  • CldWtrSrf wrote...
    Cbrew....
    You are trying to reason with a hypocrite that can't think logically. I know, I do it too, but it's a pointless battle. He can't understand why he doesn't make sense. I love how he keeps telling me I should have been mad about the 4th Amendment, like he knows I wasn't. Guess he has never seen my facebook page. I wonder if he loves Obama for the NDAA? Most likely he does. He doesn't know why, but he knows that his Masters and the media tell him to love Obama so he does. You can't have it both ways, you either support the Constitution...ALL of it, or you lose it ALL.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Calapete - ("now be responsible this weekend please. Someone's life depends on it."
    Actually Calapete, I'm not really going anywhere this weekend, so likely you're a bigger threat to everybody else, since YOU are far more likely to kill someone with your car than i am with a gun.
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  • Rick W7PSK wrote...
    Ive written my congressman and Senator many times
    Complaining about the patriot act. From the very start of it Ive written. All I get is a freaking form letter back saying how its to protect us.

    its Full Crap and they know it, Ive vowed never to vote for them again and campaign against them but all for naught because the same people such as yourself keep putting them back in there.

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  • nwhandy wrote...
    how do you know I didn't?
    In fact, I did protest the patriot act. I found it (and still do) to be another scary step on the slippery slope towards totalitarianism. Both extremes (left AND right) scare the heck out of me.
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  • nwhandy wrote...
    oops again.
    I don't know why my replies keep being posted to the wrong posts
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Rick - you're absolutely correct about Calapete....
    He is such a coward, and so afraid... that he would definitely forfeit all of his freedoms to the Government in return for a promise from the Government that they will make him safe... He's a coward, and i bet he lives his life that way... that's probably why he posts on here, because he's probably a loser that doesn't do anything in life, nobody else listens to him... he never takes risks and hides from the world... Just a pathetic excuse for a man.
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  • nwhandy wrote...
    Would you be willing to give more facts?
    Like actually naming the study you were quoting from? Whenever someone starts quoting statistics without giving a source, I find it suspect. It's easy to say "6 out of 10 people do XYZ', and then cherry pick the statistics to fit your premise. Long ago I learned in school that with the right 'filters' you can use statistics to prove almost anything.
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  • nwhandy wrote...
    oops!
    This was supposed to be a response to calapete
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  • Ted Bundi wrote...
    How can a person reply to a survey
    If they were shot dead?
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  • CldWtrSrf wrote...
    But that's not what you said calpete.
    You said that peoples OWN guns were used on THEM more often than they used their OWN guns to protect themselves. Here's some FACTS for you. Chicago has the MOST draconian gun laws in the country, yet Chicago is the most dangerous city in the WORLD. Number of people shot in this "Liberal Utopia" of Gun Laws in 2013--178 with 47 killed as of 02/04/2013. So there you go, all your gun laws aren't going to work, because those aren't law abiding citizens shooting each other. Mostly it's gangs with some innocent people getting caught in the crossfire. Maybe we should make drugs illegal, that's what they are fighting over, and that will lessen the violence? Oh, that's right, they are already illegal and that's what CAUSES the violence. All you want to do is create ANOTHER Black Market which ALWAYS causes MORE violence. You "liberal" "logic" is a FAIL as always. Go read some books and try again later. Oh, and go sit in the corner for a while too.
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  • Cash wrote...
    calapete
    Give us a specific example of this if you would please. I can't seem to find any reported cases but I can find plenty of people defending themselves legally with their own guns.
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  • CldWtrSrf wrote...
    calapete "who dont want to have their guns used on them which happens more often than the the gun owner uses it on the criminal."
    Please oh please show me where you got that statistic from. Oh, you can't? No kidding, because like the average pee brain, you are just making stuff up to fit your little fantasy world.
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  • AKAF wrote...
    lol
    You are just speaking crazy. Who would own a gun and be sick of gun violence? Gun owners are sick of gun violence and want to prevent that violence being committed on them.
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  • Ernie in the East wrote...
    What a joke!
    The whole idea of this gun buyback was to stop gun violence, yet this article let the truth slip in when we read, "McGinn is still defending gun buyback programs. He acknowledged that the buybacks alone won't make a significant dent in gun violence." Buybacks won't make a significant dent in gun violence. So true, glad to see a liberal politican actually tell the truth about an issue. The buyback was a joke from the beginning and will continue to be a joke. You will continue to get broken guns that people don't want to fix or can't be fixed (getting freebies for broken things, woohoo!) and ignorant lemmings who think that by turning in their law abiding gun that they are helping curb gun violence. Folks in Seattle, be expecting an uptick in gun violence if these buybacks continue. An unarmed citizenry has no protection against the criminal element within our society.
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  • bigdogina4x4 wrote...
    McGoof is such a dip
    If I had the resources to buy the guns, I would hire someone to pickett, with signs that instruct sellers to go to the next city block, or maybe a nearby park, and sell me there guns.
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  • bigdogina4x4 wrote...
    McGoof... Typical liberal
    Typical liberal move, stiffel free market enterprise. By the way, what's wrong with dealers buying the guns, and running the reqd. background checks when they are re-sold.
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  • HPD 5-0 wrote...
    "...he found me some authority..."
    Found? Seriously? This is the Mayor saying this? Yeah. And those gun dealers "found" the freedom, based on law, to coduct a business transaction. McMumbles now considers himself the tyrant of Seattle, does he? Amazing how liberals think certain laws do not apply to them.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    HPD - isn't that about the most rediculous thing you ever heard a politician say....
    "I found some authority" well heck I guess there's no reason to vote or have town halls or anything, Our leaders apparently can just go "find themselves some authority" somewhere and do whatever they feel like... What a joke, i hope next election cycle the Mayor FIND's his way to the unemployment line.
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  • HPD 5-0 wrote...
    "Authority"
    Yep. It's not only disgusting, it's immoral, illegal and an abuse of power. But then it's fine in Seattle...as long as a hypocritical LIBERAL is doing it.
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  • shark75 wrote...
    What the mayor is really saying
    Is he doesn't care if America is a free country. This is Seattle, the land of idiots and he is the Commander-in-chief. Hey Mayor McGinn, kiss this...
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