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Santorum: "It's BullS$%T!"

Much is being made of Rick Santorum calling "Bullsh#t!" on a NYT reporter who asked him about his statement that "Romney was the worst Republican in the country." Santorum berated the reporter for misquoting him and "lying." Santorum said he was talking about the health care issue and that he didn't say "Romney was the worst Republican in the country" but that "Romney as the worst Republican in the country to challenge Obama on health care." The video shows Santorum is right, but will his irritation with the media hurt him?

To a certain extent it doesn't matter. At this point Santorum needs over 70% of the remaining delegates to win the nomination. It will not happen. In his crushing victory in Louisiana, he'll only get about 66% of the proportional delegates at stake and he not get margins like that outside of the South. However, his campaign's effort is pivoting in the same direction as Newt's--namely, not to win, but to prevent Romney from winning. That's a more difficult prospect, and an outburst like this might give the impression that he's cracking under the pressure--losing his cool.

But I'm not so sure.

Santorum has the reputation as a goody-two-shoes. Santorum already has the evangelical vote under wraps and they're not going to leave him for this. This shows a guy with a real (and under control) temper calling B.S. as he sees it. Who knows? Maybe it will make some give him a second look who've had reservations about Romney?

Ultimately though, while seeking to keep Romney from the nomination, Santorum has to keep in mind the ultimate objective. If he seeks to mortally wound Romney's campaign but fails to keep him from the nomination, Santorum becomes Obama's best friend.


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  • Chuck Gould wrote...
    Santorum and Gingrich would do well to remember....
    any garbage they dump on Romney, a fellow Republican, is going to be much more believable than if the Obama campaign said the very same thing.

    We expect opposing political parties to lie, usually viciously, about each others candidates. As always, the drinkers of the Red or Blue Kool Aid will suck in every lie, every distortion of fact, every unfounded rumor painting the opposition in an unfavorable light as the absolute truth.

    Mr. Boze is correct. Trashing Romney too badly at this point, when any hope of another candidate securing the nomination has essentially evaporated, can only damage Republican chances next November and improve the odds of reelecting Obama.

    I'd bet my house that the DNC is digitally archiving all of the nasty, destructive things Santorum and Gingrich are saying about Romney. Easy campaign ad: "Thinking of voting for Governor Romney? Here's what members of his own party have to say about Mitt....."

    The Democrats don't even need to directly trash Romney, just replay all the crud said by his fellow Republicans!

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  • anotherfencewalker wrote...
    Fellas, it just doesnt get any better than this..
    What could have been a nice match up between opposing political standoffs from each party, has now become a bad reality show with two red tie candidates gnawing each others legs off, all the while further destroying the Republican party and whats left of its platform.
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  • Chuck Gould wrote...
    anotherfencewalker.....it's far from over
    simply because the Republicans are in disarray in March doesn't mean it's going to be a cakewalk for Obama.

    Once the R's have settled on a candidate, and assuming they avoid the suicide of a third party challenge from the Tea Party or the Fundies, they will aim their guns squarely at Obama. Certainly hundreds of millions will be spent slamming, damning, and pilloring the President (some of which he probably deserves).

    Never underestimate the stupidity of the electorate or the ability of $HUGE to sway public opinion.

    The biggest mistake the D's could make right now is to assume that the dissension among the R's ensures they will have an easy time of it in November. The anti-Obama press has really fired up the emotions of its target audience.(As seen right here in this forum).

    A Romney presidency remains a reasonable possibility. Assuming he gets the nod, I'll have to carefully consider which candidate is most worthy of support. I have been known to vote for moderate Republicans. The fact that the most extreme members of the Republican party hate Romney with a vile passion increases his appeal.

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  • William Lawn wrote...
    Santorium was right?
    You must have been watching a video other than the one you linked above. Rick said Romney was the worst Republican in the country to run against Obama. Not a peep about healthcare.

    He began talking about healthcare when he was throwing his tantrum, but not during the speech. At least that is what the clip showed.

    I think you and Rick are the ones doing the spinning, not that NYTimes reporter.

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  • ron prevost wrote...
    going after Newt's voters.
    never thought of that, but if Rick already has a lock on the evangelicals, why not go after die hard Gingrich voters ? .. Especially since Newt seems to be backing off a bit lately. .... Yah, Mitt probably does get it, but Rick's insults will be about as well remembered in October as 9-9-9 is remembered today. .. And if (when) Obama plays with sound bites, a good sound mixer can take anything to mean anything as it is already.
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  • FormerMarineSgt wrote...
    I'm surprised that Boze didn't invoke the .....
    I'm surprised that Boze didn't invoke the standard 'liberal media' and 'gotcha journalism' rhetoric that the right uses every time that either a BS question is asked (or more frequently a hard question that the candidate won't or can't answer and stay within thier carefully framed image)
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  • Birdonawire wrote...
    Projection much Bill?
    Maybe you've already forgotten Willard's attack ad on Obama?

    Same crap different party. Neither side has all the answers.

    Btw Bill, you make solid points right up till you start with the namecalling crap, then I tune you out.

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  • calapete wrote...
    @bill Law
    sorry to tell you this but the Democrats won't have to lie. Republicans want to: Strip 3 million needy people of their insurance. Cave to big Insurance companies by repealing the Preexisting conditions clause. Go to war with Iran. Give the 1% even more tax breaks, while de-funding basic education. Strip women of their health care benefits for contraception, while leaving Mens unchanged. Allow more pipeline to be built for Oil exporters to reap more profits by selling off American oil to the highest bidder. WHY Lie? this is too easy. No mainstream American would sell off his country, or throw it's poor into the streets so the 1% can get richer.
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  • Gundy wrote...
    You're no Newt, Rick

    And people like to point out how sensitive *Romney* can get when asked tough questions?! Give me a break! No irritation Romney's ever shown to a reporter even comes *close* to this childish outburst of Santorum's. Denial? Yup. Ad hominem attacks? Yup. Petulant body language? Uh-huh.

    Add to that the fact that he couldn't even remember what he'd actually *said* during his speech (the reporter had quoted him accurately, if incompletely), and you have a man totally unprepared to weather the media hurricane headed his way in the neigh-impossible eventuality that he nabs the nomination.

    And don't even get me started on the level of self-righteous arrogance necessary for Santorum to keep attempting to bodyslam Romney in the face of Romney's imminent victory. Should Santorum oppose Romney? Of course. Should he call him "the worst Republican in the country"? Only if he wants four more years of Obama. The man's sight is becoming just as short as that of Gingrich.

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  • ron prevost wrote...
    Newt, except.....
    I've said a few times that Rick is a bit immature. Which is why with Newt apparently giving up (but someone please tell HIM), Mitt gets it. The stakes here are too high. I'll go with Mitt for up to 8 years better than giving the two-bit Chicago ward boss another 4. ........... Too bad most people see only one great president every 50 years or so. That means we have 10-20 years still to go.
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  • roomtemp wrote...
    "Santorum has to keep in mind the ultimate objective."
    Yes, the all important ultimate objective... Get the red hatted banker stooge in as opposed to the blue hatted one.

    As long as you think you have a choice you'll keep lining up to be fleeced...

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  • Gundy wrote...
    @ roomtemp

    I have a lot of respect for your intelligence, but man, can't you see the writing on the wall? Romney has 503 delegates after winning 16 state primaries. Paul has 27 delegates after winning zero state primaries. At this point, there are only three relevant presidential candidates: Romney, Santorum, and Obama. Those are your options. They aren't perfect options, and I know you don't think they're even good options. But they're the only options. Either choose one of those options, or become utterly irrelevant.

    Politics isn't about what's ideal; it's about what's possible. Fallible humans - especially when presented with power - will *never* be ideal. That's why the only thing we need concern ourselves with is identifying the least-screwed-up candidate who's actually viable. If you think all your options are "banker stooges," then set that criterium aside, figure out how the candidates *are* different, and make. a. decision. Whining about everyone except the quixotic Ron Paul is a colossal waste of your time.

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  • sportsguru wrote...
    Gundy

    Yeah, I like roomtemp too, he appears to be at least honest if I don't agree with everything he has to say.

    Paul is a dead man walking as far as the presidential campaign is concerned, I am from the school were I feel that I will succeed in any economic ideology AS LONG as they don't legislate anything that will give someone else an unfair advantage that I don't have, specifically the tax breaks and subsidy's for the winners that the government chooses.

    I would have strongly considered paul if he had won the nomination for one simple reason, his honestly. That goes a long way for me more than anything else.

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  • roomtemp wrote...
    @Gundy...
    "Either choose one of those options, or become utterly irrelevant."

    No, I refuse those 'options', because they're not options at all. The entire voting public/process is what has become irrelevant. The Apollo alliance, Center for American progress, and lobby friends galore, write laws that congress doesn't even read before signing. The central banking system conjures money from nothing and loans it at interest while you work for your ever diluted share. Irrelevant he says? ahahahaha...

    "Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws." -Mayer Amschel Rothschild (The father of modern central banking)

    You won't hear me whining about Paul anymore. I quit, I'm sick of trying to wake people up anyway. They'll figure it out while standing in line for government cheese rations I guess. I make no promises not to bash the current selections though. ;-)

    You can pretend you're relevant if you want to. You can pretend that Romney or Obama will save us from certain economic collapse. I have no such illusions. At the end of day the only things that are relevant to me are my conscience and honor. Neither of those will allow me to vote for any of the current *cough* choices.

    I've been looking at relocating for a while anyway. With any luck, this will be the last election I vote in and I won't be around when the welfare/warfare state collapses in on itself.

    Good luck to you...

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  • sportsguru wrote...
    Are you giving up your citizenship Roomtemp

    I am sadden that you have quit, I am even more sadden that you will give up your citizenship because of the political structure and the inability of "your guy" to win the nomination.

    I hope that you have all the success that you are looking for as a foriegn national.

    Peace

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  • roomtemp wrote...
    @sportsguru...
    I would probably try to go dual citizenship at first if I could. But eventually yeah, if things work out OK I'd have no problem giving up my citizenship. At this point it's hard to think of anything I'd 'lose' by doing so. I could probably get a visa to visit remaining family.

    It's not a question of 'my guy' not winning. And it's not one of those 'if Obama wins I'm leaving things.' Frankly there isn't anyone with enough balls to do what needs to be done, and scant public support for it either. So, I don't think it matters much who wins. People think the gravy train is endless apparently (I know that's gonna drive neocons nuts but there isn't much policy difference between Obama and Bush. Even the increased spending is pretty much on the curve.)

    You may think of it as the rat leaving the sinking ship if you wish. There is no malice, just a very bad feeling about where we're going and a strong desire not to see it happen.

    Don't be sad for me though. I'll scrape by wherever I'm at. With an occasional blessing and little help from my friends, I always do. My needs are few.

    Instead, be sad for a country that makes its children no longer feel welcome...

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  • Gundy wrote...
    @ roomtemp

    I think you may be suffering from a lack of perspective. If all you ever think about is recent history, I can understand why you'd get so fatalistic. But if you'd widen your gaze to include the aeons before Reagan, you might realize we've been in far worse spots as a nation.

    If you'd lived in the 1930s, for instance, you would've been ruled by the president who created Social Security, "stacked" the Supreme Court, and considered his executive powers to be functionally unlimited. If you'd lived in the 1920s, you would've languished under a Constitutional Amendment that made it illegal to sell alcohol. If you'd lived in the 1860s, you would've experienced what it was like for Americans to slaughter 625,000 of their fellow countrymen over the question of whether people could enslave each other. If you'd lived in the 1770s, you would've been oppressed by a monarch across the Atlantic who thought it was okay to take your money without giving you a voice in his government. If you'd lived during the Dark Ages, chaos and oppression would've been all you expected from life.

    I'm not telling you all this because I want you to become complacent with our current crop of problems. I'm telling you all this because I want to give you hope. We threw off the shackles of Imperial Britain, reunited with our violent secessionists, repealed the 18th Amendment, and stood up to FDR. Just because Americans are stupid doesn't mean they can't smarten up. Disaster is never more than one generation away, but neither is shining success.

    I cannot tell you how irritated I get when conservatives bemoan the fact that our president doesn't make like Reagan and tell us that America's best days are yet to come. It's like they'll only believe it if their leader says it's so. What lack of vision! What childish dependance! What unwillingness to take the initiative and actually lead themselves!

    Don't be like them, roomtemp. You're stronger than that. You can see farther, if you choose. You can help the rest of us right this wayward ship of state, but only if you turn around and face the liberals trying to shove you off the end of the plank by sheer attrition. Don't give up and leap into the cold waves of irrelevancy. Draw your sword and come back to the fight!

    If you think I'm just full of it - that I've deluded myself into believing I can make a difference - then you need to spend some time gazing into the abyss of Socialist Europe, where good men still fight and die in the face of overwhelming odds. Don't believe me? Visit Daniel Hannan's channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/DanHannanMEP and be sure to watch the speech he delivered at this year's CPAC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BujuEpGmKMg

    If he can continue to stand, what's your excuse for running?

    P.S. Out of curiosity, where have you been planning to run off to, anyway?

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  • Gundy wrote...
    @ roomtemp

    I think you may be suffering from a lack of perspective. If all you ever think about is recent history, I can understand why you'd get so fatalistic. But if you'd widen your gaze to include the aeons before Reagan, you might realize we've been in far worse spots as a nation.

    If you'd lived in the 1930s, for instance, you would've been ruled by the president who created Social Security, "stacked" the Supreme Court, and considered his executive powers to be functionally unlimited. If you'd lived in the 1920s, you would've languished under a Constitutional Amendment that made it illegal to sell alcohol. If you'd lived in the 1860s, you would've experienced what it was like for Americans to slaughter 625,000 of their fellow countrymen over the question of whether people could enslave each other. If you'd lived in the 1770s, you would've been oppressed by a monarch across the Atlantic who thought it was okay to take your money without giving you a voice in his government. If you'd lived during the Dark Ages, chaos and oppression would've been all you expected from life.

    I'm not telling you all this because I want you to become complacent with our current crop of problems. I'm telling you all this because I want to give you hope. We threw off the shackles of Imperial Britain, reunited with our violent secessionists, repealed the 18th Amendment, and stood up to FDR. Just because Americans are stupid doesn't mean they can't smarten up. Disaster is never more than one generation away, but neither is shining success.

    I cannot tell you how irritated I get when conservatives bemoan the fact that our president doesn't make like Reagan and tell us that America's best days are yet to come. It's like they'll only believe it if their leader says it's so. What lack of vision! What childish dependance! What unwillingness to take the initiative and actually lead themselves!

    Don't be like them, roomtemp. You're stronger than that. You can see farther, if you choose. You can help the rest of us right this wayward ship of state, but only if you turn around and face the liberals trying to shove you off the end of the plank by sheer attrition. Don't give up and leap into the cold waves of irrelevancy. Draw your sword and come back to the fight!

    If you think I'm just full of it - that I've deluded myself into believing I can make a difference - then you need to spend some time gazing into the abyss of Socialist Europe, where good men still fight and die in the face of overwhelming odds. Don't believe me? Visit Daniel Hannan's channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/DanHannanMEP and be sure to watch the speech he delivered at this year's CPAC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BujuEpGmKMg

    If he can continue to stand, what's your excuse for running?

    P.S. Out of curiosity, where have you been planning to run off to, anyway?

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  • Gundy wrote...
    Eh ...

    ... my post was so lengthy, it didn't show up for a while. So I tried a second time. And now I look silly. Or desperate.

    "Please, please, roomtemp! You must listen to me! See, I even posted my heartfelt plea twice!"

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  • roomtemp wrote...
    @Gundy...
    Nah, you never look silly or desperate. I don't know anybody on the net that hasn't had a double-post once in a while.

    Your points are valid as usual. I suppose a difference in our perspectives might be that I see a lot of the events you describe as cumulative. Sure, there are always periods of difficulty, but we're at a point now where things are stacking up fast. Our 'leaders' see the founding documents more as a hindrance to control than guidelines for it or a barrier to it.

    Dan Hannan rocks btw. I've heard him give some speeches on cspan that had me cheering. The thing is, if Paul is pissing in the wind then so is he. (And seemingly less relevant to politics here being an MP and all. But yeah, cool guy. You do realize he's a Ron Paul supporter right? -snicker)

    I hope you understand that Europe's financial problems are already affecting us. We have been tossing lots of money their way for a long time. (When is the last time the government offered you a U.S. taxpayer backed .01% interest multi-billion dollar loan? I'm guessing... never)

    For all intents and purposes, there already is a global banking system and the next objective of the people that control it is to level the playing field among several currencies. (Meaning, all the ones that matter.) I hope you are prepared for the dollar to sink to the level of the peso in buying power.

    Just what do you think the reaction will be when people can't get their Obama money? I see some stark differences in coping ability between our citizens now and the ones in the great depression. I'm not sure I want to be here for that. (On the bright side it might become cost effective manufacturing here again after a long hungry while.)

    I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do to fight against an increasingly totalitarian government or a populace of sheep that willingly trade their liberty for perceived security. I do know that voting for the elite's chosen is part of the problem, not the solution. As I don't want to hurt anybody and they have better toys than I do, a military coup seems unlikely to succeed. :-D

    On the 'where would I go'. Preferably to a warm 2nd world country on the way up. ;-) I have a few options, friends that want me to work for them and can integrate me pretty quickly (so they say). I'm not too jazzed about Indonesia but Costa Rica sounds pretty nice. There a couple family members here I have a duty to. So I can't bail for a while yet. Until then I'll keep trying to make life a little better in some small way for those in my immediate vicinity.

    I definitely will miss my trees and mountains. Politics, society, culture, not so much...

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  • Gundy wrote...
    @ roomtemp

    Yeah, I know Hannan likes Paul. Shoulda expected you to point that out ... ;-p

    (I lik- ... er, respect Paul, too. I think he's out to lunch on foreign policy and I think he'd make an incredibly ineffective president and I don't think he'd have a prayer of beating Obama, but I *respect* him for the way he's attempting - and, largely, succeeding - to effect change within the Republican Party. This time around, he's been working within the established party system instead of tilting at third party windmills, and I think he's been having a not-inconsiderable effect. You may not have noticed, but right now the GOP is more conservative - more libertarian, even - than it has been in decades. The Tea Party movement has pretty much eliminated the possibility that Romney will, if elected, morph into yet another big-spending neocon. People are talking about the Constitution as though it actually matters again. The Fed just got audited, for crying out loud! Paul and other libertarian-minded reformers are making a difference. Just 'cause Paul won't ever get elected president doesn't mean he's "pissing in the wind.")

    Regarding all your other concerns, I see only one way to prevent the doom you predict. That way is to actually stand up, get involved, and fight back. For me, that means, among other things, engaging liberals on forums such as this one. I don't want to denigrate self-interest (it does drive the free market, after all), but if us conservatives aren't willing to endure discomfort in order to stay in the fight and be the change we wish to see, then that change will never come. If we all flee to the four winds, then America's demise is no longer in doubt. People like you and me are all that's left standing between our beloved republic and the looming socialist nightmare. It was one of the fathers of modern conservatism, after all, who is supposed to have declared, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

    I will not have it repeated by my grandchildren that, in the hour when America still teetered on the brink of absolute tyranny, I did nothing. For that reason alone, it's worth my time to stay.

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  • bpgreen81 wrote...
    I am so sick and tired
    I am so tired of the over-dramatic, angry, whiny,and childish attitude coming from our party. I have watched Santorum become progressively angry throughout this campaign; he is now just a younger dark haired Newt. The sad thing is, the "conservative base" eats this stuff up. In the process it makes our entire party look like ignorant fools. Bottom line is you don't have to be a hotheaded jerk to be conservative. I am over the politics of anger already, we need a cool and collected leader....Romney 2012 anybody?
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  • Saturday Evening Post wrote...
    Yup,
    I was hoping Santorum would prove out but adopting the Newt's strategy is over the top. I'd consider myself "conservative base" and evangelical and I'm not liking this anymore than you are.
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