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Unlike the President Obama's somewhat listless performance in the first debate, he was on the offensive for most of the night Tuesday. (AP Photo/file)

Debates go better when both sides show up

See how much better debates go when both sides show up. Unlike the president's somewhat listless performance in the first debate, he was on the offensive for most of the night Tuesday.

The assumption was that the Town Hall setting was going to make it hard for either side to be aggressive, but the president found a way.

Mitt Romney held his own, but Obama probably won this debate on points. Not as decisively as Romney won the first debate, mind you, but still...

In the first debate, you had a series of Democrats complaining the President missed a lot of opportunities against Romney. Last night, it was the Republicans who were saying that about their candidate.

First and foremost was the exchange on Libya, a topic the GOP thought they had the advantage on.

Romney suggested Obama's administration may have misled Americans over what caused the attack at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, last month that killed four Americans, to which Obama had a strong response.

"The day after the attack governor, I stood in the rose garden and I told the American people and the world that we are going to find out exactly what happened. That this was an act of terror and I also said we're going to hunt down those who committed this crime," said Obama.

"A few days later, I was there greeting the caskets coming into Andrews Air Force Base and grieving with the families, and the suggestion that anybody in my team, or the Secretary of State, our UN ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own governor is offensive. That's not what we do. That's not what I do as president, that's not was I do as commander in chief."

There was fire in his eyes, self-righteous anger and indignation.

Then Romney, who looked like he's coming in for the kill, responds:

"I think it's interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack he went into the rose garden and said this was an act of terror, not a spontaneous demonstration," said Romney. "I want to make sure we get that for the record. Because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror."

Obama interjected, "Get the transcript."

"He did in fact sir," said moderator Candy Crowley.

"Can you say that a little louder?" said Obama.

"He did call it an act of terror," said Crowley. "It did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape to come out."

Romney continued, "The administration indicated that this was a reaction to a video and was a spontaneous reaction. It took them a long time to say this was a terrorist act by a terrorist group."

Romney eventually got to his point but it wasn't as powerful as expected because he got tripped up a little on Obama's language.

Even without Crowley's intervention, Obama's challenge to "Get the transcript" slowed him down a bit.

Things went much better for Romney when a former Obama voter told the president directly that he was disappointed in him. The GOP would like nothing better than to have this election be a referendum on Obama's first term and this voter provided the ideal platform.

The president started off his response by admitting the country had been through a tough for years.

"But four years ago, I told the American people, and I told you, I would cut taxes for middle class families, and I did. I told you I'd cut taxes for small business, and I have. I said that I'd end the war in Iraq, and I did. I said we'd refocus attention on those who actually attacked us on 9/11 and we have gone after al Qaeda's leadership like never before, and Osama bin Laden is dead."

The president continued speaking of health care reform, saving the auto industry, and job progress.

"The commitments I've made, I've kept," said Obama. "Those that I haven't been able to keep, it's not for lack of trying and we're going to get it done in a second term."

Then Romney got his chance and he took full advantage of it.

"I think you know better. I think you know these last four years haven't been as good as the president's just described and that you don't feel like you're confident the next four years are going to be much better either. I can tell you that if you are to elect President Obama, you know what you are going to get. You're going to get a repeat of the last four years. We just can't afford four more years like the last four years."

Romney said Obama said by now we'd have unemployment at 5.4 percent.

"The difference between where it is and 5.4 percent is 9 million Americans without work," said Romney.

"He said he would have by now put forward a plan to reform Medicare and Social Security, because he pointed out they're on the road to bankruptcy, he would reform them, he'd get that done. He hasn't even made a proposal on either one."

Romney said Obama also said he would put out an immigration plan in his first year, but didn't file a plan.

"This is a president who has not been able to do what he said he'd do," said Romney. "The middle class is getting crushed under the policies of a president who does not understand what it takes to get the economy working again."

Results of a CNN poll pick Obama as the winner, but say Romney did better on the issue of the economy.

With just 20 days left until the election, polls show an extremely tight race nationally. While Republicans have made clear gains in recent days, the president leads in several polls of Wisconsin and Ohio. No Republican has won the White House without winning Ohio.

As the debates unfold, early voting is already under way in many states, and the push to bank as many early ballots as possible is in overdrive.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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  • BikeNazi wrote...
    Poor Republicans
    They just get can't get away from the Liberal Gotcha Media.
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  • flipper wrote...
    That's right
    Last 2 debates were 2 against 1 (Obama/Biden and the moderator versus Romney/Ryan). Why are all the moderators in this debate cycle from the extreme left?
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  • Sean wrote...
    How anyone can vote for a liar like Obama
    who plays on your idiotic "hope and change" desires to say he'll cyt the national debt in half, ONLY TO SEE IT DOUBLE, is beyond me. THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WILL TAKE THIS COUNTRY DOWN. But it seems that about 52% of the country is happy to just bury their head in the sand and blindly support Our Dear Leader. WE DESERVE WHAT WE ELECT... and that's one sad story, folks.
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  • DesertRez wrote...
    The most eye opening thing
    for me was Obama talking about the econonmy. He really has no clue what he is talking about. He said something like "we have doubled exports which will create jobs". What the...?? On Libya, he just spun the whole issue on live TV. Usually he lies through a press release, or one of his admins.
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  • Oly80 wrote...
    sorry...
    but, WHAT!?

    as i recall, Mittins is the one who TOTALLY got what the president said COMPLETELY WRONG. there's transcript to prove it.

    are you really that deaf and blind to the FACTS?

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  • Paul Kersey wrote...
    well, now we know why gas prices have doubled
    it's because the economy is smoking hot. Happy days are here again, yee haw! I guess that means all those deadbeats on fool stamps can give up their Obama phones and get back to work.
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  • when reality hits you wrote...
    Gas price futures are traded on the stock market
    What is so hard to understand about that?
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  • Gar57 wrote...
    Admit the facts if you can...
    1) Gas was over $4.50 per gallon the summer before the 2008 election. 2) The economy crashed the following fall and gas prices plummeted to around 2.80 per gallon. 3) As the economy has slowly rebounded, demand has increased and we are back up to where gas prices were before the 2008 election. So how have gas prices "doubled", in any other land besides "B*lls**t Mountain" (love that term for ,the right wing talking heads-thank you Jon Stewart!)
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  • Paul Kersey wrote...
    yes, I can admit the facts, can you?
    that's right, gas prices were up in July of '08 and then dropped to a low in December of '08. From Obama's inauguration date until now, wholesale prices have doubled.

    The "economy didn't crash". The commodities market did crash. It had been run up by speculators and was due for a good correction when Obama's NWO bosses (George Soros) stepped in to force the downside (the same people who drove the run up), before the election. Not only did they get their boy in power, but they made huge profits on the swing. Yes, I think we have been set up in the biggest fraud in history. Take your "B*lls**Mountain" and wallow in it, with the rest of the pigs.

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  • It's me! Ha ha! wrote...
    bike-cycle panzi. Guess what?
    The Obama ministry of re immac propaganda CANNOT escape me and the rest of the voting taxpaying American public on Tuesday the sixth of November 2012!!
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  • Moondoggie wrote...
    Candy thinks she saved Obama
    but the next few news cycles will be about the cover-up of the Libya terrorist attack.
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  • maplefish wrote...
    Obama lied again
    And fatass Candy Crowley helped him lie his way through the blatantly false representation of his speech in the Rose Garden about Libya. Not once did he admit that we were attracted by terrors on 9-11 in Libya during that speech. The guy is a flat out bald faced LIAR. Four more years with this incompetent, LIAR will surely destroy this country.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    can we get the transcripts Maplefish... can we?
    Yes he did you idiot... Everybody who watched the debate should know that by now... He called the event an act of terror in his speech in the Rose Garden... if you're too anti-obama to believe facts when they're given to you in real time... i don't know what to tell you.
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  • Paul Kersey wrote...
    you really are as stupid as you appear, aren't you Cbrew?
    Obama did not name the embassy attack as an act of terror...

    He said "Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger. Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi."

    The administration then spent two weeks spreading false information that it was a spontaneous protest of a "disgusting" (their words) video, that only a few people had even viewed. They even had the maker of the video picked up by jack booted thugs. They went out of their way to blame the attack on the first amendment.

    In his entire statement he only mentioned the word terror once... "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation", referring to no specific terrorist act. He may have been referring to the WTC attack, since it was the anniversary. It was a meaningless statement.

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  • maplefish wrote...
    Cbrew
    Pay attention moron. Obama didn't say a word about THE terrorist attack in Libya.... Dude, you are so blinded by your stupidity and ideology that there is simply no hope for you. You epitomize the Liberal Left's inability to admit the truth even when presented on a video or a printed transcript....OBAMA LIED...AGAIN!
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  • Moondoggie wrote...
    White house spokesman, Jay Carney had this to say.
    On September 14, at the White House briefing, Jay Carney said: “Let’s be clear, these protests were in reaction to a video that had spread around the region.” And: “We have no information to suggest that it was a preplanned attack.” And: “The cause of the unrest was a video.” And: “The reason why there is unrest is because of the film. This is in response to the film.” And: there was “unrest brought about by this offensive video.” And: “The unrest that we’ve seen is in reaction to a film which the United States government had no involvement, which we have denounced as offensive.” MMMMmmmm
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  • Rick W7PSK wrote...
    Unless we fix the Political Scene
    We are screwed with either person

    What we need is to get rid of Incumbents, for the next 2 or 3 election cycles. Period. Pacs, special interests, and business control politicians. Our government has gone from of, for and by the people, to of, for and by big business. BOTH SIDES.

    With either Romney or Obama the little people that work for a living are screwed.

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  • HPD 5-0 wrote...
    Allow me to para-phrase Barry's entire night:
    "Neener..neener...you're a liar....your mom wears army boots...." Pathetic and childish.
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  • Oly80 wrote...
    Romney was rude...
    to the point of sounding like a little child himself.

    "he got to answer, i get to answer too!"

    he was rude. that's all. ALL the things the right said Biden did that was rude, Mitty did.

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  • Paul Kersey wrote...
    Romney did not grin, guffaw, snicker, sneer, snort
    or make any the other adolescent expressions that Biden did. What are you talking about Oly?
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  • Oly80 wrote...
    right.,
    grin, yes he did. although it did look more like a sneer than anything.

    PLUS, he was incredibly rude in his interruptions. i know you'll give him a pass, but he was. it was very clear. no sense talking to someone like you who only repeats the talking points from fox news.

    Romney lost. deal with it.

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  • Cbrew wrote...
    That's funny...
    I'm pretty sure Romney was the one considered mean spirited during the debate in all the polls afterwards... you repubs really do just see whatever it is you want to... even when it's obvious that you're wrong.
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  • maplefish wrote...
    HAHAHA...Mean Spirited?
    Because that dumbshit Obama refused to answer Romney's specific questions and lied through his teeth about everything. He ran away like the punkassbittch that he is. Obama is a FAILURE and has accomplished NOTHING! Deal with it.
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  • Sean wrote...
    Wrong!
    He's accomplished DOUBLING the national debt!
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    The Bottom Line from last night's debate.....
    Romney got his little preppy butt whipped... It's in every poll after the debate and from interviews of folks all over... Obama won the debate handily... Not only the debate though, he probably won the election last night... Obama has 237 Electoral votes in states he'll clearly win... Romney 190... Obama holds slight leads in every battleground state... He only needs a few of those to go his way and he wins... Last night halted any possibility of a comeback from Mitt... The election ended last night and Obama won. Sorry AJ McCarrell and Maplefish and the rest... I know you are dellusional enough to believe all the conspiracy theories and the rest of it but... bottom line is, Your boy got beat, he's not good for America and i guess in 4 years you can root for another Republican with a bunch of Meth induced theories.
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  • daveismenotyou wrote...
    You moved out of your Mommy's basement Cbrew?
    What has Obama done for you by the way? Did you get an Obama Phone?
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