for a single .290 hitter with average or above D in either SS or LF would be in my opinion the best case scenario. Theres no way theres gonna be a team that wants all of em but if they trade all of em and 1 player like that comes outta those trades in the next couple years Id say thatd be a success

Do NOT trade Ryan. Love his defense. Wait to see how Franklin continues to develop. Consider what we traded for him anyway (Maikel Cleto, now a relief pitcher). Is his value much greater if at all then when we got him? He was known then to be an excellent defensive player with not much bat. Same now if more so in both cases. ~Stephen GO M's!

Ryan had some value. Then we could get rid of him. He is a back up on any other MLB team. His conventional #'s are bad. His Fangraph #'s are bad,even worse if you take out his over inflated fielding #. Ryan has made quite a few awful plays this year. I would rather see Truinfel or Franklin up with the big team to see what they can do. They definetly would not do much worse than Ryan.

We'd have to trade Millwood and Ryan as a package. Ryan's flashiest defensive games always seem to come during Millwood's starts. Not that I'm complaining. Kevin seems to like to pitch with base runners everywhere, so he needs all the D he can get. But for the rest of the staff, if we had an average fielding SS, who at the plate could do better than dribblers to short with runners on second and third and the infield pulled in, maybe they'd be willing to give up a hit or two per game in exchange for some RUN SUPPORT.

Sabermetric rule of thumb - on average, it takes ten runs, not hits, saved on the defensive side to equal one win better than a replacement level (AAAA) player. Ryan would have to turn every batted ball from the pitcher's mound to medium left, and from second base to the third row of seats on the third base side into outs to compensate for his "offense."

1st off someone has to want them and nobody is going to give a .290 hitter with ave D at short for all 3 of those guys. I you think they are please list some names you have in mind. People always want to trade for a guy named somebody. Not trying to rip onyone here but people dont trade starting .290 hintting shortstops in the middle of the year. Millwood had no value to anyone, he is doing it with mirrors and will soon be hurt or getting rocked. Ryan might have a tiny bit of value in the NL or what I like to call AAAA. If League can get back on track we might be able to get a B type prospect for him at the deadline.

Absolutely correct. Interesting that Groz mentions Jeter, because average D and batting .290 is darn close to Derek (sub-average D, .313 lifetime). Cashman would probably laugh 'til he choked if Jack Z called him offering Ryan, Millwood and League for Jeter.

....SS is the most glaring next to the pyscho bullpen and LF. No real backup, and defense only wins games in most sports except least likely baseball, since there's 9 chances/inning at 11 positions to flub defensively. You must execute or allow runs. Ryan and Kawasaki can't hit; doubtful at AAA, so you have to go trolling for a FA or someone else's DFA SS later. And like fishing, you just bump bottom til you hit something...

Yes his defense is good. BUT! his bat is non-existent, I've watched too many games where the M's had a chance to win with one out and then Ryan comes up to bat and before you know it... BOOM! 2 outs!. If you can trade him, trade him! And if not then get rid of him. Nice guys don't win games! The mariners are't a charity they are a Team that represents Seattle. Start winning games.

I cannot believe that there has been a 2 hr. discussion on Ichiro in the batting order. I would bet that this is the only station in the country where the sportscasters spend hours discussing batting order- like it's such a hugh issue. Shows you the difference between covering an organization that is successful vs. an organization which is at the barrel's bottom. Maybe you guys should have a long discussion about the Mariners' single A club. Could you imagine these discussions on a NY radio station???

If the Yankees were to change the lineup of someone that had been there 10 years it would be a topic just like it is here. Saving a run is just like scoring a run. I am no Ryan Fan but you just can't throw anyone out there at SS and expect it to be OK. Franklin will be the starting SS next year anyway, so you just have to live with the way it is for now. There is not better option than Ryan right now at this time in history. It is a non-issue. Better topic is getting at bats for a right fielder with some power like Paguero and letting Ichiro hit third back in Japan where he belongs and has belonged for the last 5 years. Hell even Vladamir Baletin can hit in Japan!

Bob and Especially Groz have no idea what they are talking about. Brendan Ryan does not have a trade value. I don't how good on defense you are. You can't play defense from the dugout or batters box. He is an empty uniform for half the game. And for that matter the more important part of the game, that the Mariners have been historically poor at. This idea that a .170 hitter, with 1 HR 10 RBI's a .283 OBP and 3 steals, has trade value is only possible on a team that sucks this bad and has media personalites as dumb as the Groz reporting on them. What a joke.

Just remember, Jack Wilson had trade value. The problem with that is trade value is subjective. If all we got for Fister was 4 AAAA players, then even a package of League, Ryan, and Millwood won't get us one real MLB player. Of course, Jack won't look for one MLB player he will instead look for several AAAA players. Quantity doesn't work until you have quality in baseball.