Watching the Vikings with Ponder running them compared to T-Jack leading them to the playoffs should end this idea that T-Jack can't win. This man has proven he can take a hit and get up off the turf STRONGER. The question is whether his accuracy becomes a liability.

The real truth is Flynn cost us nothing but cash. No draft picks, just salary cap stuff that is really nothing. That deal they got for him is worth watching Flynn fail. Wilson is the one that will hurt if he does not pan out. Great players were on the board when they grabbed him.

T-Jack owns that locker room because showing grit like he did last year and having playoff credentials means something.

Warner is an elite analyst. He sees through to the truth on more topics than just football, for sure.

First o ff, Ponder was a rookie. Second, he was playing with Peterson hurt a lot of the time and less weapons at the receiver position, and the defense wasn't nearly as effective as it was during the time that Jackson was playing. Not a fair comparison.

Both of these guys (Flynn and Wilson) are working with about as much real-game NFL experience as Ponder had. Most would say the Vikings D was actually BETTER than it was with T-Jack.

I will give you the AP point. Having a limping AP was not the same as what T-Jack had. But I contend a QB that could not keep the defense honest and allowed 9 man boxes on a regular basis led to the rough year for AP. Like him or hate him, T-Jack can pull the string on a ball and make you wonder if he has one of the 5 best guns in the league. His arm and ball is a marvel.

Would the Vikings have been better with Ponder or Jackson as their QB last year? I think there is no argument, right? Well, Jackson vs. two guys with little to no cred. It is the choice the Hawks have and Warner nailed it.

This season is going to have a ton to do with Sidney Rice. He is the only guy I see that is not hungry.

the Seahawks SHOULD go 8 and 0. Assuming Flynn is our QB and our team does not have a plethora of injuries.

aggressive cornerback-play at least two years ago. NOT a revelation Groz.

In the past: The opposition faces 3rd and 8. What do they do? Complete a 10 yard pass against Jennings, who is lined up 13 yards deep.

Tell me that my assessment is inaccurate. You cannot.

NOW: The Seahawks CB's seriously disrupt the WR's that they are covering at the line of scrimmage, just as I implored. Go! Seahawks!

John got him (M/F) do to desperation. So Warner is just feeding the machine what he thinks not what he knows. Flynn looks slow and has a weak arm for sure. T-Jack holds the ball to long and can't throw the long ball accurate. Rusell Wilson. Is whe wild card that height is the only thing holding him back. I say he has a shot a good shot at leading the seahawks team by default.

Are Seattle fans really still beating this dead horse? Its mind boggling that an organization thats never had that franchise qb in 35 years of history is totally okay with just being "okay"... Is 7-9 really acceptable to Seahawk fans? Being lower than mediocre is acceptable I guess in this town if we're really defending Tarvaris "pat & fade" Jackson as our man under center.

What the he11 do you think Matt Hasselbeck was for 10 years? He was our franchise qb you idiot

but having 3 good seasons being ranked a top ten qb doesnt make you a "franchise" guy.... sure he was "Seattle's" franchise guy, but maybe thats why theres zero championship trophies at the team facilities now. Good job "idiot"

Who said 7-9 was exceptable? Lol and you can go and make your own definition of "franchise QB". Hasselbeck was the QB for a top 10 offense for 5 and a half years while goin to a SB. No one is sayin hes brady but he was a franchise qb. But keep whining.

Cause you still wont move out of the basement! Listen chump, you can put any tag on it you like... "franchise guy"... "elite"... "superior"... "stud"... ."great qb".... Hasselbum was NEVER any of those. You're just a mad Hawk homer that doesnt have anything to pound the table about because this organization has never had success. You're no different than 95% of this whiny fan base that defends EVERYTHING! Hasselbum had 3 good seasons, yes, but that doesnt make you "elite" or a "franchise" guy, sorry homer! When you only have two seasons above a 90 rating, thats not elite, sorry sparky! His yds/g... TD passes... int%... comp % and every other stat category was all lacking compared to other top 5 or top 10 qb's. Just having 3 seasons being rated as a top 10 qb doesnt make you one of the best. 3 out of 10 seasons. Sorry not "elite" turbo! You wanna bring up Stafford, he threw for 5000 yards, NO QB IN SEATTLE HISTORY HAS EVEN THROWN FOR 4000 INCLUDING MATTY HASSELCHUMP! Stafford is elite because he can put up stats on par with the best of the game. YOu really brought up Dan Marino??? WOW! ONLY in Seattle will tool bags compare Dan Marino to Matt Hurthisbutt.... dumb! YOu sound like a moron for that! Dan Marino is "elite" because he put up stats, every year, not just 3 seasons. McNabb took his team to his conference game 4 times in a row! I'd say thats elite. Rivers puts up stats EVERY year, not just a couple. And seriously are Seahag homer still whining about the refs in that super bowl??? ROFLMBO!!!! Get over it homer, Seattle botched themselves, dont make excuses about refs, watch the game, they blew it. You talk about me whining but here you are still whining 6 years later about refs...stop making excuses & deal with the reality that Seattle botched THEMSELVES!

Same thing over and over again. Haha and chump, turbo, sparky, Hasselbutt, Hurthisbutt ROFLMBO? You really gotta stop gettin your insult material from 8 year old children. I dont even need to know what your goofy little acronym is to know its childish. Are you the same guy as foundation? Listen chump, "Franchise Quarterback" and "Elite Quarterback" arent the same thing. Joe Flacco is a franchise QB but not an elite one. Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, HeII even Alex Smith are franchise QBs. Now go back to callin everone that doesnt says something you dont like homers and whining. Take it easy sparky, turbo, chump.

You commented cause you're mad about being a 'homer'?? Sounds like it, cause you still havent said anything in regards to any of the posts or the article itself. You just like seeing something you typed huh "buddy"..... Sure EVERY team has a 'FRANCHISE' guy, much like I said in the first post, but are all 32 franchise guys "elite" guys? NOPE. Thats the point, just cause Matt Hasseldone started for Seattle doesnt mean he was "elite"... Top 10 three times in a 10 year career doesnt make you elite, or franchise or special or top notch no matter how you spin yourself in a circle.... chump! Get a life tool bag.

Cutler is considered an elite QB. No championship. Stafford is considered an elite QB. No championship. McNabb was an elite QB. No championship. Dan Marino was an elite QB. No championship. Phillip Rivers is an elite QB. No championship. You get where I'm going with this yet? Championship trophies don't make a QB elite. Their performance and ability to win is what makes them an elite QB. Further proving my point of how much an idiot you are str8jaz. And by the way, if that SB XL game was called fairly instead of all those botched calls by the refs, then yes Hasselbeck would have won a championship. But you got your head so far up your a** you fail to see anything a normal person with common sense sees

Why don't we just realize once and for all that Tarvaris is the right choice to lead the Hawks at the beginning of the season. The guy only showed a glimpse of what he can do with a healthy offensive line at the end of last season. Look at his history when he's gotten significant playing time and he's shown dramatic improvement with each passing year. I expect nothing less heading into 2012. So if we're worried about splitting reps, let's just face the facts and give more of those reps to Tarvaris so that he can continue to build cohesion with his receivers. Let's get it done Hawks!

Are we discussing this because we have 3 mediocre QBs nobody wants or are we discussing this because any one of the 3 could really take charge and lead this team? The real question is still going to be the o-line and the running game. Personally I think it is better, but is it good enough - I hope so but I don't know. What I see behind the line is 3 guys with definite roles - the incumbent leader, the capable backup, and the future franchise. What I would really like to see is a page from Mike Price's playbook - put the backup in the game during a meaningful 2nd quarter possession, both for development and to keep him fresh and ready to step in when something happens to the starter.

we are all whining. We have been through a rough patch. Were a team looking for the right guy. It's been a while since we have been even close. Now there might be a little flicker of hope. These three guys have a little something to offer. There is not for sure and you don't have to have an elite QB to win a SB. It would help, but I think JS and PC both know were not there. So... now we have to lean on our D, and make this crew a top 5. Then have a running game that can strike a little fear. We hitting on all counts. Then all we need a guy who can read the field and hit his receivers. That is not TJack. It might be Wilson in the future, but I see Flynn being the QB to manage the game read the field and hit the passes when they need to be hit. This is where TJack lost it last year. I really don't think he has that one element that we need. Then its all up to the receivers to be consistant and catch the ball. The rocket that Tjack has was tough to catch. Flynn has touch, like Matt use to. This is what we need. I think there might just be a future with Flynn. Wilson as number two an Tjack pounding sand. Go Hawks.

And when Tarvaris got a little time to work in said pocket, he did just fine. I'm not saying Flynn or Wilson won't win the job, but to discredit Tarvaris for saying he doesn't know how to read defenses and lead his receivers so that they can make the catch in stride is pure hypocrisy. I remember many passes where the only player who could catch the ball was the receiver and it was Tarvaris delivering those throws. So take your opinion and pound sand.

Totally agree. T-Jack could very likely have a better year with a more solid line. I think the Seattle sports press is not being realistic to say "we've seen what T-Jack has". I don't think ANY QB can show "what he has" in one year. Look at Alex Smith last year. It took him 5 years to show what he has. I expect some improvement from him as well, although the SF press is already saying he's topped out on his talent. How the heck would they know?

A couple ways to look at this. If Wilson is keeping up with T-Jack and Flynn with NO NFL experience whatsoever and no experience in this system with these receivers, he's got to be at least #2 if not the #1 guy because of his potential. Playing time in real games will be fundamental to his growth and it should happen fast with Wilson. Given Flynn didn't overtake T-Jack in the spring and T-Jack played hurt most of last year and was also working with all new receivers last year, and no starters in spring drills, maybe T-Jack can actually win the starting job. Like Warner said, it took him, (potentially one of the top 15 QB's of all time) a year to get used to the offense and the (really great)receivers he had to work with. Isn't it a possibility that T-Jack, in year 2, could have a breakout year, if not a good enough year to beat out a couple of relative rookies? I see Flynn as the odd man out if T-Jack grows from year 1.

Tarvaris has been in the same system for 7 years now and is still making mistakes that we wouldn't tolerate from a rookie. Tarvaris has had the same offensive coordinator for those same 7 years. I look at it this way: If Russell Wilson and Matt Flynn can be neck and neck with Tarvaris after only two months vs. the 7 years Tarvaris has had, that makes Tarvaris look even worse than I already believed him to be. Personally, I will be surprised if Tarvaris is even on the team when the season starts.