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May Day; May Day!

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Some cities saw otherwise peaceful May Day demonstrations disrupted by anarchists using a tactic called the Black Bloc. (AP/Seattlepi.com, Joshua Trujillo)

Some cities saw otherwise peaceful May Day demonstrations disrupted by anarchists using a tactic called the Black Bloc. These are actually white males who dress in black, and carry metal poles which they use to smash windows of what they consider corrupt businesses.

And of course we all condemn this, but it turns out, the anarchists themselves are debating the Black Bloc. Yesterday some of them even chanted "This is not helping."

So I started searching anarchist websites:

And I found a debate among Canadian anarchists:

"If we're going to talk about violence, we need to be talking about corporate sponsors. We need to be talking about the police," said activist named Harsha Walia, who's been quoted on anarchist sites for her passionate defense of window smashing, even though she knows it tends to backfire.

"In terms of the fact that the Black Bloc reinforces and legitimizes the police state, the resistance will legitimize the police state, and if that argument is going to be used then we may as well never be on the streets," said Walia.

Plus, she says, the Black Bloc actually IS peaceful:

"As far as we know not a single individual and not a single animal has been harmed in Black Bloc tactics, what has been harmed is lifeless windows," said Walia.

Personally, I believe that anarchists were put on this earth to remind us what de-regulated young males are fundamentally like.

And I think anarchists would be much more impressive if they roamed the streets creating jobs.

Although I suppose, if you're in the glass replacement business that's exactly what they did. For a day anyway.


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  • mnpat wrote...
    You say...."Personally, I believe that anarchists were put on this earth to remind us what de-regulated young males are fundamentally like."
    When you quote a woman, "Harsha Walia"....you really have issues with guys, this is not the first time you place socities problems on the males species....were you significantly bullied or are you just having problems with testosterone......I'm sure glad you seem to think this was a boon to those that install glass...you must be laughing all the way back to Mercer Island.
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  • hnuh wrote...
    05-02-2012 May Day...
    They call themselves anarchists. They are no such thing. A debate among anarchists? Such a thing cannot happen. It would imply social interaction which requires self government thus eliminating the possibility the individuals involved are actually anarchists. The black flag, once raised, should be responded to in a reciprocal manner. Swift and preferably brutal punishment of the lawbreaking "anarchists" is appropriate. Humoring these vile creatures is most inappropriate.
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    Jabberwacky
    And this is NOT an impossible thing to be believed before breakfast, either. .. This black suited group seems somehow to believe theirs is peaceful (?!??) protest. ... About as peaceful as Assad's 'discussions' with the people of Syria. ......................... Sorry, Dave, I can't get (quite) as jovial as you as these jerks are no joke. Not only were they destroying private property that costs people money they don't have (in these times many carry only liability on their cars, so who pays for the broken windows), but they mostly destroyed whatever legitimate message the honest demonstrators wanted to present. ... ..................... And this is what you seem to be missing, Dave. It's not all just about broken glass.
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  • delvin wrote...
    Dave R you sexist pig! speaking for my grandfather, dad, my sons, my MALE friends and myself-you can take your feminist brain washed, anti-male sterotypeing and go back to the "View" where you belong!
    Men are not born bad. The young men I know and coach are well behaved, get good grades (mostly), and do not deserve this slam. Get away from your metrosexual, feminist world and you might meet some good men. You male hating wuss!! PS Not every women I have ever met in my life is a bloddy saint-PLEASE!
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Delvin, what are you talking about?
    You really see that as the focus of this blog? Who cares if someone is sexist against men anyways? I don't care, i'd way rather be a Man than a woman... who cares if they think we're violent and irrational... Women are violent and irrational too.. in fact... they're far more irrational.. and that's a scientific fact... they have more hormones going through them.. they are more emotional... emotions make you irrational sometimes... so yeh... anyways why are you so Pi##ed off? If you know the score why do you care what Dave Ross thinks about Men?
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    @ delvin (and Cbrew)
    must be the delivery, delvin. A lot of you posts ARE facetious, are they not ? ................ You are kidding ?
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  • delvin wrote...
    regarding Dave r slaming young men-Do some research on male suicide, reading "The war against boys" study commercials that show any and all men to be morons and only morons. These messages dont effect all men, but studies show some negative effects on som
    study the decrease in college graduation for men and the huge increase for women and the FACT THAT THE FEDERAL GOV TO THIS DAY FUNDS EFFORTS TO INCREASE GIRLS MATH AND SCIENCE RESULTS, yet spend 0 for boys specialized reading and writing results. This is why I don't think DAve R should get away with a sexist slam on young men (1 sentence in his post) The women in this nutty group probably support this action, they just dont carry it out.Ron and Cbrew-are you aware that many more young men have problems than young women (drug abuse, suicide, prison, murder rate etc) These guys dont need anymore negative stereotypes.
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  • delvin wrote...
    hey Ron-you remind me of my wife-when she rolls her eyes instead logical rebuttal
    You are kidding is the same thing. Tell me an example that I have posted that lacks a degree of rational thought. From a independent who has found straight Ticket Dem voters and libs to be lacking in logic all to often
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    @ delvin - Chill
    Considering Dave's comments are tongue in cheek (especially that snark about 'unregulated young males'), I would have assumed your post was simply responding in kind, except that Cbrew took you seriously. ... But, apparently you were serious. .............. Too bad. Dave WAS a bit too flippant in his post, but not THAT line. Perhaps HE needs to work on his delivery. .............................................................. PS: Your wife may be telling you more than you think. But, then, my wife does the same thing to me.
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  • delvin wrote...
    point taken Ron-I get fired up at shots against men due to some things i have witnessed made me do some reading and
    in the corp world a guy needs to walk on eggs shells aroung females but females can say anything they want. I was sexually harrased once (It was the proudest day in my working life)
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  • dori monson fan wrote...
    seattlites need to stop being such wussies
    we need to gather in numbers larger than these punks, go down there may 1, 2013 and kick the crap out of them until they decide to drive their biodiesel vws back to portland. make them think twice before heading north ever again.
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    Good point DMF, BUT.......
    That plan worked to perfection a few weeks ago when the thugs tried to shut down Borracchini's. .. Only problem is those wooses at the bakery didn't have tire irons with them. The anarchists did. ..... ... Still, they DO have their 'uniforms', so ........................
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  • mobeta wrote...
    I'm with you Dori's fan
    I said that to my son taking him to the airport this morning. If they came by my place of business and starting busting my windows and disrupting and hurting me making a living, I would of broke their legs, seriously! We the silent majority need to stand up to all these punk liberals and any liberal from now on. The war is on and don't back down from any of them!
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    mobeta - ignorant much?
    Liberals? How the !@#$ do you figure they're Liberals? They are self proclaimed "Anarchists" even though they really aren't since they're a group... Either way they claim no political party they're supposedly anti-Government, how the !@#$ does that make them liberals... you're just a nutjob that sees Dems as the boogey man because you're too stupid to look at facts.. you'd rather just use labels so it makes it easy on you to know who to hate and how much.... you're a freak dude.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    May Day Rioters
    Not sure where this even started to be honest... I have no idea why people protest and march on May Day but i can tell you this... Protesting is absolutely 100% not effective... it's a waste of time and anybody that marches and convinces themselves that they are doing something... are fooling themselves... All you do is piss off people because you snarl traffic... and if anything is broken during your protest... everybody figures you're a violent group. there's no reason to organize marches like this.. Same with Occupy... what a joke... what, you think camping in a parking lot is going to make the Richest and most powerful Americans stop misusing power, stop influencing leaders? You think they'll suddenly give their workers livable wages or move their factories back to America? lol no.. no way in heck... that's how they got rich.. The very very rich don't give a flying !@$# about the United States... They would rather watch it burn to the ground around them then do ANYTHING to help the rest of us... so why do you think sitting in a parking lot is going to change anything? Foolish... These so called Anarchists are a joke... anarchy requires the complete absence of order, law, and no form of leadership etc. everybody is essentially free. If there is a group of them, and they coordinate their efforts and decide on Methods... well congratulations you foolish anarchists... you've just achieved a form of Democracy... ..... so foolish... They just need to arrest them and force them to pay damages to these businesses.
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  • Chuck Gould wrote...
    The psuedo-anarchists are a fabulous gift to those cited in cbrew's post
    Those who abuse positions of economic power

    Those who refuse to pay an equitable wage

    Those who export American jobs paying $8 per hour to third would countries where people can work for 80-cents an hour

    Those who enjoy the protection and security of the US government and military, yet hide their assets offshore to avoid making financial contributions to same.....(Mitt)....

    If these bogus anarchists didn't exist, the people mentioned above would pay to have them created. What better way to validate no-holds-barred, take-no-prisoners, rape-and-pillage profiteering than to characterize anybody who would question that philosophy as some sort of destructive anarchist?

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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Chuck Gould - Well put
    There was an awakening occuring in this country after the bailouts... people were beginning to realize that there were some powers that be in this country that were making it more and more difficult for the average citizen of this country to achieve the American Dream... Everybody was kind of having a ... wait a minute... moment where we all saw that there was a massive effort to protect the wealthiest people and corporations during the Recession... We started a very important discussion i think about business ethics in America... about Why our leadership was fostering growth in foreign countries by making it a smart fiscal move to put their factories overseas.... AND THEN! .... a bunch of New-Age hippies started camping in parking lots marching in rallies and destroying property... Nobody wants to be linked to those stinky drug using losers... but that's what the movement became... Lesson in this in my opinion is don't ... don't do marches... don't do sit ins... certainly don't damage property... Hold rallies perhaps.. get political parties involved... don't be extreme or let ignorant youths into the group... try to make actual change using the Democratic System.
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  • delvin wrote...
    Chuck-how would you put the global, free trade economy back into the bottle. High paying jobs for unskilled labor is gone and will never come back.
    In my industry, which competes world wide, the mfg of low tech parts-that make a system, you will loose money by not going out of the US. Most mfg companies do not make a very high EBIT or profit margin. Companies must always work to make their plant more effiecient. By the way, exec's at the companies I am familiar with do not make that much money-as compared to the corrupt wall street. How do you put the genie back into the bottle-its 2012 not 1950 and the world is a changing.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Delvin - I know what you're saying
    I think what you have to do is make it more expensive to do this overseas... there can't be free trade between nations.. not when 1 is free and the other is communist... That's the problem.. No American Worker can live on slave wages... They can in China... that's the problem.. we can't have free trade agreements.. there needs to be a cost associated to making stuff overseas that levels the playing field so that we can compete with slave country's like China.
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  • mobeta wrote...
    we are almost communists now anyway
    We are so close to being a communitst country just like Obamamama wants. Single payer system controlling all healthcare (like the post office, Social sercurity and medicare are working well), government controlling everything, like church's, education and the loans, controling car companies, soon energy so on and so forth. Welcome to the DSA the Divided States of America! Our freedomss are almost gone. Thanks to the liberal, communist, marxist, democratic party. We are almost there. Congratulation! Watch out what you wish for, you may just get it and not like it.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Oh that's hilarious coming from a Guy that Supports a party that Created the Patriot Act and the Dept of Homeland Security
    Really dude? you're absolutely dillusional, The Republican party is responsible for taking more rights from the people than anybody else. And are you really that dumb? the Post office? THE !@#$ING POST OFFICE!? last time i checked it's kind of important to mail items... you're foolish... you're so foolish it's sad... what a misinformed ignorant person you are. Read a book, learn stop spewing ignorance on the internet.
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  • Gar57 wrote...
    Mobeta....
    Fer Cryin' out loud, dude.....read a book! Get back on your meds, whatever it takes. But right now, you just sound like a moron.
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  • mobeta wrote...
    CW, you just don't get it
    Unions have made it impossible for us to compete here in the US and the government has an envirorment that chases companies and people with their money out of the country. If you had any money or ran a corperation, you would do the samething. Governement should make the business envirment the best in the world but they don't so companies are forced to take their businees to other conttries to survive amd people like you don't understand economic 101 so I will consider the source. We are getting fleeced by our governmetn that's why the business envirorment is so toxic especially with Obamamama. Personally, I have not done a thing and will not contribute to the economy like many other companies have done. We will force that idiot out of office. The government has chased businesses and people away, they did not leave because they wanted to, they were forced to do so. Wake up bonehead!
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Mobeta - I agree to parts of what you're saying
    I just don't think the problem necessarily lies with Unions or taxes in the US i think it lies with the trade agreements we have with foreign countries... When you're the richest country in the world and people have a high cost of living because of that, you can't just open up trade and business equally with very poor nations who have a nearly limitless source of almost slave labor... OF COURSE businesses are going to move stuff overseas to cut costs... Those companies will make way more profit if they can pay workers pennies on the dollar... There has to be reform with the trade agreements we have because those agreements ONLY BENEFIT China, India and all the other emerging 3rd.. now 2nd world countries.
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  • mobeta wrote...
    If they don't move, they will die as a business
    It's called survival!!! If you make a wiget here for $20 here and china can buile it for $10, what are going to buy? Plus the fact the our corperate taxes are double or higher than most countries no wonder companies go oversea's. I know this very well because I did business oversea's for 15 years. Also, make it easy for companies to return to the US with their funds without penilty, make it the best place in the world not only to do business but to produce jobs and it would happen. Make it the best place to have a factory but there again, we have to put up with the envirormentist and the tree huggers that they would try to shut them down. Liberals want it both ways and it just work that way. We need leaders that understand how the private sector is the driving force in this economy and not be against us like all small buusinesses feel this administration is every step of the way. They hate small businesses.
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  • mobeta wrote...
    I meant Chuchy Gould
    See below.
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  • mobeta wrote...
    Your democratic party at work
    Here you go occupiers and the democratic party at work. Community organizing just what Obmamama wants and what he is best at. Dividing all of us is his mission and it has worked. He is the master at it and has promoted the occupiers all along the way. Compare the Tea Party, totally peaceful and effective just like us conservatives do in our daily business and go along paying our taxes so we can get fleeced by government. Government workers must not know that we are the ones paying taxes that support them. They must think the government just prints money! Oh, That's right they do! Government workers should support small businesses to do well, we pay their wages but that's too much for them to comprehend since many have never had to create a living for themselves. As you can tell I can't stand any level of government. Have a great day!
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    mobeta, that's hilarious.. your really that foolish?
    mobeta you're hilarious, the Tea Party was effective? Also, how do you figure the Occupy movement is Democrat? See idiots like you like to tie things you don't like together... so you just throw 2 and 2 together to make it easier on your feeble brain. The Occupy movement has nothing to do with the Democrat party... and as for your great Conservative party... tell me, how do you support a Party that Created the Patriot act to take away your individual freedoms... and expanded the Government by creating the largest federal agency of our lifetimes, the Department of Homeland Security.... Really? they're supposed to be the party that protects individual freedoms and is against big Government... They DID THE EXACT OPPOSITE WHEN THEY HAD POWER! ... I mean.. it's America, and you have the freedom to choose whichever party you like, I just can't bring myself to follow the Republican party after that bullcrap was allowed to happen under their watch.
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  • mobeta wrote...
    You're too stup[id to undersatnd
    Read it again Cbrew. All occupiers are democrats bonehead! You think they voted Republican. And n BTW, I'm a conservative not a republican. There is a difference. You don't understand anything and how it works so keep showing your ignorance, it's great to read!
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Mobeta
    who do you vote for then? You're conservative but don't vote Republican what party do you vote for? And you're calling me stupid!? HOW THE !@#$ do you know how the Occupiers voted? You just hate everybody that doesn't believe what you believe so you immediately assume they align with the party you love to hate... the Dems... but last time i checked the Conservative party pushed through the biggest Anti-Freedom act in US History The Patriot Act... so don't preach to me about who's pro-freedom and who's not.
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  • Citizen of Krazy Town wrote...
    Chuck, if Mitt is hiding his assets...
    How do you know about them?
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    It's not a secret that Mitt has money overseas
    His campaign has announced that he has, there's absolute no way to know what he has in foreign accounts though, he doesn't have to report it... I think the biggest issue i have with that is... he's basically investing in foreign Country's banks... and it also shows a lack of faith in American Banks... kinda sad for a guy that supposedly wants to run the country.
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  • mobeta wrote...
    So what?
    If I had big money I would invest in this country either since we are geting fleeced at every level. If people like you and all the other idiots up above had money, you would do the same thing. WE ARE GETTING FLEECED AND EVERYTHING IS A SCAM! CW, go smoke your dope and hang with the occupiers, they are right down your alley!
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Really dude? Really Mobeta
    I'm a former US Army Soldier, fought in the Iraq war and since I got out i've worked in a Major I.T. company that has a contract with the Government. I've NEVER smoked weed or used an illegal substance in my life... Furthermore i think Occupiers are stupid wastes of space wasting time and taxpayer money by camping in sesspool campsites outside of our Government buildings and i'm not a fan of their movement at all. You just can't help being an ignorant SOB can you? You lump everything together that you hate and push it on the Dems because it's too hard for your feeble brain to look at complex issues and complex organizations. Again, it was your beloved Conservative party that destroyed our economy, restricted our freedoms with the Patriot act, Expanded the Federal Government by creating the Dept of Homeland Security, so stop preaching at me about creating scams and big government because your party is to blame for those scams and loss of freedoms.
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  • mobeta wrote...
    wouldn't invest in this coutry, at least while Obamamamama is in office
    Because as I have said, we are getting fleeced by all forms of governement agencies, like the education system, the police and fire systems, the sentaors, congressman, post office, on and on! Pretty soon we will run out of money all government entities will go down just like Greece and Spain. It's great using other peoples money like a ponzi scheme until the money runs out. We are almost there.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Mobeta - Ever thought of getting the !@#$ out of our country then?
    You're not willing to invest in our Country because of who is President right now and you're saying Occupiers are anti-American? Getting Taxed isn't getting fleeced.. every Country that has ever existed had taxes fool.. I pay my taxes and I support my Country, are there problems? yes, are there instances where my tax money is getting wasted? yes, But the system of Government we have allows for issues like that to be reformed and fixed. We actually have one of the least corrupt Governments in the entire world. It's been researched and proven true. So if you really can't handle how our Government operates maybe you should get the !@#$ out of here and go be a Canuck or a Mexican or some other Country. Seriously what a piece of crap you are. I spent 4 years in the Army, i volunteed, i was willing to die for this Government and it's people because it's the Greatest Country on Earth, all you can do is complain about living in the wealthiest country on Earth maybe you need to get outside of these borders and see how the rest of the world operates you ungreatful piece of CRAP.
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  • Citizen of Krazy Town wrote...
    Actually, he does have to report it, and the US has reciprical agreements
    with the Swiss so that they can enforce honesty. As far as trust in US banking goes. #1: what is there to trust right now. With Obama politicos like John Corizine playing fast and loose with privatye funds with the blatant endorsement of Obama, can you blame the uncertainty of investors? #2: the FDIC only ensures $250,000 per bank, if one has many multiples of that, how easy is it to manage your portfolio? Answer: it's not. #3: Mitt has always stated first and foremost that his PRIMARY concern is with the American Economy. He has the Experience and track record to fix it, and he has invested his own money to vie for the job. How is that a lack of confidence? How many here have that kind of skin in the game?
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  • mobeta wrote...
    Krazy town, you're spot on!
    Nice to see common sense out there! Keep it coming at these weenie lib's. Time to start pushing back to get our country back.
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  • Concerned Puget Sounder wrote...
    The Black Bloc is lucky....
    that Seattle has such an ineffective and cowardly mayor like McGinn. Otherwise, they might be claiming 2 or 3 of their Komrades bodies this morning at the King County morgue.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    concerned puget sounder
    Dang.. i think that might be a bit over the top guy... They smashed windows... last i checked that doesn't warrant the death penalty... i understand you're angry... I think these punks should be punished too... but i don't think they should be put to death for breaking a window... keep it in perspective guy.
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  • mobeta wrote...
    Break their friken legs
    They break private people glass and take away there ability to make a living, break their legs. They're lucky it wasn't my company, it would of been a pleasure to bust them up! They deserve gettin busted up destroying peoples peoperty becaus elife hasn't worked for them! The deserve what they get, NOTHING!
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  • Concerned Puget Sounder wrote...
    Didn't say they should be killed...
    just 'lucky'. If one of those so-called "safety glass windows" had severely injured innocent people, there might have been a different outcome. I can live with broken windows. What I'd like to see is 10-year jail sentences for this stuff. It's completely unnecessary...and OVER THE TOP.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Concerned Puget Sounder
    The reason i said that was you said they might be claiming their buddies in body bags.... that's what i was responding to.
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  • mobeta wrote...
    10 years is about right!
    Perfect, I still would break their legs! And I'm serious!
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  • Concerned Puget Sounder wrote...
    Until Seattle starts electing "leaders"
    you can expect more of the same as we saw yesterday. There's more clowns in Seattle government than the Barnum & Bailey circus.
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  • kata wrote...
    yes -
    he'd rather be marching with them. Seattle certainly has a way of electing the most inept people.
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