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The evidence will clear it right up -- or will it?

May 16, 2012 @ 8:20 am (Updated: 8:22 am - 5/16/12 )

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The shooting case involving Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman may be one of those cases where the more evidence you get -- the LESS clear it becomes. (AP Photo)

Ever since that shot on February 26 in Sanford Florida, George Zimmerman has claimed he was defending himself against Trayvon Martin, who may have been ten years younger, but was also about six inches taller.

His story was met with considerable doubt, since he's on tape telling a 911 operator he was chasing Martin, despite being advised not to.

We yearn for more evidence to clear this up -- and now we have it.

A few days after the prosecution turned over its evidence to Zimmerman's defense team, some of that evidence has started to leak.

And it shows that the day after the shooting, a family doctor found Zimmerman had suffered a broken nose, two black eyes, and two cuts on the back of his head.

While a separate report shows that Trayvon Martin had two injuries: the fatal gunshot wound, and scraped knuckles. The implication being that he scraped those knuckles in the process of breaking George Zimmerman's nose.

So what does this tell us?

It certainly tells us who was getting the worst of the fight at the time the shot was fired.

But the real question is did Trayvon Martin somehow deserve to get shot?

Zimmerman claims he broke off his chase and Martin circled back and started throwing punches against a guy who was no threat to him.

But wait a second. Trayvon Martin is DEAD. So can you argue that Zimmerman who was armed and moments earlier was running after him, wasn't a threat?

This may be one of those cases where the more evidence you get -- the LESS clear it becomes.

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  • Citizen of Krazy Town wrote...
    Regardless of how the press spins this, it can't be hidden that the other cases that have been tried in FLA
    May 16, 2012 12:47 pm
    Were dismissed under the SYG law. And in both cases, the accused weren't even indicted for murder 2 and in both cases neither of the accused received any personal injuries prior to pulling the trigger.

    It would seem that as more "evidence" is leaked, it becomes more clear why the police did not initially press charges, and more apparent that Zimmerman has a pretty good wrongful arrest and libel/slander case.

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  • Oly80 wrote...
    CKT...
    May 16, 2012 1:47 pm
    exactly.
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  • Zoeller wrote...
    CKT- Yes, I would be very surprised if-
    May 16, 2012 3:17 pm
    This ever even makes it to a trial. It will probably be thrown out of court.
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  • It's me! Ha ha! wrote...
    Never make it to court.
    May 16, 2012 4:23 pm
    Exactly! That is why the family and so many others were trying so hard to get the ObamaGovernment to try this.
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  • mpgunner wrote...
    Luke "Objective"
    May 16, 2012 4:32 pm
    Funny to hear Luke still try to view the world his way versus letting the fact speak for themselves. And WHY does Kiro choose to show a 12 (or so) year old photo of Trayvon? Why don't they show Zimmerman at 12?
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    The white hispanic
    May 16, 2012 6:49 pm
    Just an FYI here.

    In the 2010 United States Census, 50.5 million Americans (16.3% of the total population) listed themselves as ethnically Hispanic or Latino. Of those, 53.0% (26.7 million) self-identified as racially white.

    So, it appear that a majority of the hispanic population in the US self identifies themselves as "white". You see, Hispanic is not a race. According to the Census, "Hispanic" refers to a person of "Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race." Hispanics can be white, black or Asian. By the Census' criterion, Zimmerman, the son of a white father and Peruvian mother, is white.

    Don't let the facts get in your way though.

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  • deltta wrote...
    Thanks Bill
    May 16, 2012 7:20 pm
    That changes everything
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  • rational wrote...
    William Lawn
    May 16, 2012 7:58 pm
    But according to leftist definition a minority isn't capable of being a racist...so you have leftists crashing up against leftist definitions in trying to charge Zimmerman as a racist...it must be hard keeping liberal dogma straight (in a non-sexual preference way).
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    And the right whined and complained about Zimmerman's description
    May 16, 2012 8:26 pm
    Yet Hispanics, by a large margin agree with the description. In fact they self identify over 50% of the time that they are white.

    You see, Hispanic isn't a race. Hispanic is a ethnic group, at least according to the US Census.

    But, I suspect you are trying to change the subject again.

    By the way, you never got back to me on how the BLS reports unemployment. How come? Just to refresh your memory, you claimed that individuals who exhausted their unemployment affected the BLS reported unemployment rate. The BLS doesn't agree.

    http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#where

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  • circuitfr wrote...
    zimmerman is still screwed
    May 16, 2012 8:31 pm
    in the court of public opinion. How can any of you comment on this when the media has sliced and diced and LIED about EVERY aspect of this story. First, making up a new term " white hispanic" Then showing pictures of a 12 year old kid, then the media splicing the 911 audio making it sound like Zimmerman is a racist for saying he thought he was black. Then for the media playing video of the police station and claiming he has no injuries. Then the media experts claiming the screaming was Trayvons.....should I go on and on and on?????? What the flying sam hell is this country going to? Why are we even debating this? Right or Wrong doesn't matter at this point, The liberal Media has already spoken and the reverend al sharpton, have completely screwed Zimmermans life until the end WITHOUT knowing the facts. The media, including Dave and Luke have perpetuated all the lies and NO ONE CARES? The black panthers have issued a bounty to KILL Zimmerman and NO ONE CARES? We live in such a messed up time....people are pathetic.
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    Just in case you are incapable of reading two posts or so us, here
    May 16, 2012 8:42 pm
    Just an FYI here. The "media" did not make up the term.

    In the 2010 United States Census, 50.5 million Americans (16.3% of the total population) listed themselves as ethnically Hispanic or Latino. Of those, 53.0% (26.7 million) self-identified as racially white.

    So, it appear that a majority of the hispanic population in the US self identifies themselves as "white". You see, Hispanic is not a race. According to the Census, "Hispanic" refers to a person of "Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race." Hispanics can be white, black or Asian. By the Census' criterion, Zimmerman, the son of a white father and Peruvian mother, is white.

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  • rational wrote...
    self identfication...
    May 16, 2012 9:01 pm
    And I'm more indian than Elizabeth Warren but she's the one that was identifying herself as a minority in order to steal the benefits of real minorities...why are the democrats trying to promote her instead of roast her? Warren is a real life "Soul Man"...defrauding other citizens for personal gain. Why do the democrats hate minorities?
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    And what I find especially humorous is a statement like "But according to leftist definition a minority isn't capable of being a racist."
    May 16, 2012 8:33 pm
    You found that in some "leftist" bible, dictionary or instruction manual?

    Yeah, sure you did.

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  • circuitfr wrote...
    Bill
    May 16, 2012 8:51 pm
    Are you really that ignorant to think the liberal agenda media doesn't salivate at the fact of a "white" racist killing a poor black teen? Duke lacrosse? It's the template. I don't care if your left or right, but come on.......a white person will get slaughtered in the media with no care for facts, you will never see main stream media sites showing anything different.
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    circ, you had many complaints, I addressed one.
    May 16, 2012 9:18 pm
    I think the media "salivates" at anything that will sell. Rush had a heyday with the thought of a "white" Hispanic. Yet over 50% of Hispanics self identify as such.

    Dispute that!

    How is he different?

    I listened to Sean tell lies about the state of the US economy for about an hour today. Whine about those on the dole are killing us. Then the advertising segment was him pushing a company that if you owe the feds over $10K in back taxes they'll "fix" it for you.

    The juxtaposition was breathtaking.

    But perhaps lost on many of his listeners.

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  • rational wrote...
    William Lawn
    May 16, 2012 8:57 pm
    Nice one WL...you and I both know liberals would never be caught putting definitions into a book or they might be required to be consistant. But honestly, over the years I've had last least a dozen leftists argue that blacks can't be racists because they are a minority and racism is based upon a power differential, and since blacks don't hold the power in the equation they are incapable of being a racist. But you already knew that argument, didn't you? It's stupid, but most things from leftists are.
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    Rational, you've not been honest a day in your life
    May 16, 2012 9:24 pm
    Still avoiding me on the BLS unemployment statistics? Trying to change the subject?

    Yeah, sure you have "had last (sic) least a dozen leftists argue that blacks can't be racists because they are a minority" and because you say it, I should believe it is true?

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  • rational wrote...
    William Lawn
    May 16, 2012 9:37 pm
    Regarding honesty, you're projecting your own dishonest, just as liberals project their own racism on others as well.

    I am not wasting my time with you regarding unemployment because you're just trolling when you try to claim unemployed folks don't add to unemployment figures. A better question would be why should anyone waste time responding to you at all?

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  • William Lawn wrote...
    I posted the link, read it and respond
    May 16, 2012 9:52 pm
    You are doing your usual little whimper here Rational.

    And you are doing it again, You think I woould not catch it? Too funny.

    Here is your quote: "and just this week another 92,000 unemployed in California alone will drop off the roles of the unemployed because their benefits are running out. That might be good enough to push unemployement under 8%"

    And what the BLS says "Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed."

    Caught you again

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  • rational wrote...
    William Lawn - are you serious?!
    May 17, 2012 6:07 am
    So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed."

    That just means that the unemployment number is HIGHER than the government published figure! And I have no idea what delusional wimper thing you're referring to is, but you've already proved you live in your own little deluded world.

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  • William Lawn wrote...
    Telling lies again, "rational"
    May 17, 2012 3:36 pm
    That was a quote from the BLS site detailing how they measure unemploymeent.

    I do my research, you make things up. They have been measuring unemployment about the same way since 1940, with some changes in 1997, I believe.

    So if unemployment is higher than the government reported today, it has been higher for the last 72 years.

    You were wrong. You said state UI numbers were included in the BLS report. They are not.

    You've tried to change the subject a number of times.

    I don't expect you to admit you were wrong. People like you don't.

    They just try to change the subject.

    Deluded? Yes, you are.

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  • rational wrote...
    William Lawn - say what?!
    May 17, 2012 5:13 pm
    You've tried to change the subject a number of times.

    Incase it's escaped your notice, the subject in this thread is Martin and Zimmerman...you're the one trying to debate unemployment numbers...and then have the insanity to accuse me of changing subjects. Liberalism is truely a mental illness.

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  • William Lawn wrote...
    A whimper, as usual
    May 17, 2012 5:44 pm
    Thanks for the laugh.
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  • rational wrote...
    William Lawn - Insanity...
    May 17, 2012 6:43 pm
    As usual
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  • Mavila wrote...
    Evidence is Clear
    May 16, 2012 9:21 pm
    Only Dave Ross could conclude that this case is less clear as the evidence comes out. I bet even the "News Chick" gets it.
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  • Ron_Spins wrote...
    Picture
    May 16, 2012 10:04 pm
    Could you produce a picture of Trayvon when he was younger and a picture of Zimmerman in prison clothes or something ...jeeez
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  • AKAF wrote...
    The problem is...
    May 17, 2012 12:03 am
    those talk show hosts that love to berate Rush are those that use the same tactics. Whether it's the morning show, Dave and Luke or Ron and Don, they continue to ignore possible facts and place blame. At least Dave, Luke, Ron and Don have the excuse in being political commentators. The morning show does NOT! They are advertised as NEWS! Zimmerman is guilty regardless of being tried by these talk show sensations. Another reason why I choose to change the channel....whether it's guilt but proven guilty or publishing a non-story about a public employee and his love life...this station has gone to dogs. Just a bunch of hypocrites, all of them, trying to gain ratings despite their moral training. I expect Ron and Luke to be a 'little' different but the rest have no excuse. Let us try this in the court house.
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  • It's me! Ha ha! wrote...
    You see, Hispanic isn't a race. Hispanic is a ethnic group, at least according to the US Census
    May 17, 2012 5:13 am
    Then why do you and the rest of the hate filled racist pigs from the left keep banging that drum?
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    Best thing about this blog is that if Trayvon had been white
    May 17, 2012 6:11 am
    The opinions of most of our contributors would be 180 degrees different.
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  • Paul Kersey wrote...
    yea, 180 degrees had Trayvon been white...
    May 17, 2012 6:38 am
    you would never had heard of this story and Dave Ross and his progressive followers would not be interested in it. There would be no story or comments. Is that what you mean by 180 degrees?
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  • sportsguru wrote...
    No, I think
    May 17, 2012 6:48 am
    he means Trayvon Martin would have been on death row by now.
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    Now if Travyon had pulled the trigger
    May 17, 2012 7:25 am
    You are absolutely right.
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    I don't know Paul, an unarmed white kid out buying skiddles, shot by a "Mexican"?
    May 17, 2012 7:04 am
    I think they may have been a story. I agree, not as big though. Whites don't have professionals spokespersons.

    People that the MSM can interview for the "opinions" of "whites". And no one for the right wing media to trash and ridicule.

    But the original story was more about the SYG Law, it devolved into the race baiting, where it remains today.

    Complete with faked pictures of both participants.

    My own opinion is this. I have no idea what happened that night. What is your opinion?

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  • Paul Kersey wrote...
    white victims of hate crimes are non-stories...
    May 17, 2012 7:18 am
    there is a race war going on, and it is being covered up. The mainstream media are just as guilty as the perps.

    such as...

    "Ethical questions are being raised both inside The Virginian-Pilot and in the Norfolk, Va. area after two of the paper’s reporters were attacked and beaten by a mob of at least 30 blacks, but was downplayed by police and withheld from the public for more than two weeks by the newspaper’s editors."

    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/reporters-beaten-by-mob-of-blacks-and-their-newspaper-stayed-silent.html

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  • rational wrote...
    William Lawn
    May 17, 2012 5:17 pm
    But the original story was more about the SYG Law, it devolved into the race baiting, where it remains today.

    Actually, the story pretty much started and ended at race baiting...by the left, in case that fact is escaping your notice.

    If the story had been about a black shooting a latino I probably wouldn't have received near the attention it has. But because the left has developed this into a "white" shooting a black, even though it was a latino shooting a black it's become a race baiting wet dream for liberals.

    Although as more facts dribble out the left hasn't bothered to modify their claims and conclusions...at least not publically. Maybe we're supposed to read their silence as an admission of guilt for all the false claims in the media.

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