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Does this REALLY have to go to court?

May 22, 2012 @ 8:22 am

The Catholic Church is upset over being forced to include birth control with employee insurance benefits. So now 40 Catholic institutions, led by Chancellor Jane Belford of the Archdiocese of Washington, are suing the government for violating the constitution's guarantee of religious freedom. Because while churches THEMSELVES remain exempt from covering birth control, the new rules say that church-run schools and hospitals, because they employ and serve many NON-CATHOLICS, no longer qualify as "religious." She released a video, saying this is just not acceptable:

"Under the HHS mandate though, even Jesus and his disciples would not have qualified as religious enough," said Belford in the video.

Of course Jesus didn't need to insure His employees -- He could heal for free. So what do we do?

Well, I think there's a solution, based on what Chancellor Belford herself says in her video:

"This lawsuit isn't about contraception. With a prescription, birth control pills are readily available at major retailers for $9 a month, and at no cost from various health care clinics," said Belford.

So she's saying she has no problem with the church's non-Catholic employees buying their own birth control -- which they can easily afford! This implies that while God prohibits paying the $9 out of the employee's church-provided insurance, he does NOT prohibit a church employee from paying the $9 out of her church provided salary.

So this whole thing could be solved by the church giving its non-Catholic female employees a $9 a month raise.

And we can all move on.

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  • Paul Kersey wrote...
    If Ann Dunham had used contraception
    May 22, 2012 8:55 am
    instead of choosing to have unprotected sex with polygamous Kenyans, this wouldn't have to go to court. Ironic.
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    And if your dad had used toilet paper
    May 22, 2012 6:42 pm
    I guess there would be no Paul Kersey

    Ironic

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  • mobeta wrote...
    Billy shut up!
    May 23, 2012 7:20 am
    You're such a dip stick! Go away with comments like that!
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  • RonJ wrote...
    Think
    May 23, 2012 9:21 am
    about the ramifications if that same Kenyan has used a tissue......
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  • RonJ wrote...
    That was hilarious
    May 23, 2012 9:20 am
    Paul.
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    Come on, Dave. You know as well as anyone else that Barack Obama is neither ignorant nor stupid.
    May 22, 2012 12:25 pm
    This whole contraception thing was/is just a way to rile the Church and improve his standing with knee jerk women voters. .. IF it were all about the availability of contraception, $9/week appears cheap enough that a group of Hollywood liberals could easily afford to donate to every woman too poor or otherwise not inclined to buy her own (and how did us guys get off the hook?). ................. If you can't understand your own church, perhaps we can look at a Jewish deli that provides a free lunch to its non-Jewish checker. Lunch, yes. But NOT a ham sandwich.
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    OH - short answer, Dave.
    May 22, 2012 12:28 pm
    Yes, it needs to go to court because for all his bluster, Oz does not abide compromise.
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    When the church enters a business, they become a business
    May 22, 2012 1:22 pm
    Or should be. Subject to the same rules as any other.

    But here in the US we have a special victim class for churches.

    They can engage in politics or business and still be tax exempt.

    I can give money to the Mormon or Catholic Church or any other, which blatantly preach politics from the pulpit but deduct those contributions.

    Like Willard does (well not Catholic in his case).

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  • It's me! Ha ha! wrote...
    And when Obamunist goverment enters a business
    May 22, 2012 2:04 pm
    is it Fascism. Right?

    Or just his War on God.

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  • ron prevost wrote...
    @ Wm Lawn (in case the Law got in the way)
    May 22, 2012 2:11 pm
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,.." By your thinking, the only true freedom any church would have would be confined behind its doors. And even if a church used public streets or sewers, you would seek control. ... That's NOT what is meant by freedom. ........ Apply that to speech, and you can say anything at all inside your house - but not in the park. Or publish anything you want -but the government will supervise if you charge for that newspaper.
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    Freedom to run a radio station? That is a business
    May 22, 2012 3:00 pm
    and has absolutely nothing to do with religion, unless, of course they accept no advertising and stick to religious material.

    If a religious order enters business they are a business, otherwise any endeavor may be labeled religious as long as the operator claims it.

    Where would the demoncrats get all the tax money they want to spend?

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  • ron prevost wrote...
    @ Lawn - radio station ???????
    May 22, 2012 4:46 pm
    Please try to relate to something said. ........................ This BS about 'business' co-opting religious freedom is apparently exactly what the current administration interprets. BUT, they also apply their definitions to pure charity. IF a Catholic hospital employs a non-believer - or even treats the needy without regard to their (the needy) religion, Obama believes they are 'public' and therefor open to his dictates. .. One of the great blessings of the Franciscan system is that it treats all - without question - and without question as to ability to pay. .............. Does Obama really want to put an end to Catholic Services ? .......... I fear the answer is YES.
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    A radio staion is charity?
    May 22, 2012 6:25 pm
    You are commenting on the Mormon Church owned KIRO. Pay attention ron. Please.

    ron, a church owned business is exempt from any law they might not agree with?

    No building codes? No zoning.

    I'll build my megachurch in your backyard. Of cardboard.

    The great system, of pedophiles. Declaring bankruptcy under US law while hiding from settlements. But not subject to US law?

    Thanks for the laugh, ron.

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  • ron prevost wrote...
    OH - THAT'S what yiu're getting about. (!?!!???)
    May 22, 2012 9:52 pm
    Not that most people automatically associate Bonneville Broadcasting. ............... Be that stretch as it may be - your justifications for Obama to control churches today is really worthy of Joseph Gerbles. And that's NOT a laugh. .................. Despite occasionally appearing to use logic and intelligence, you have shown yourself to be simply another irrational hater of the Catholic Church. .. Please - should you ever be stricken and need the services of St. Joseph's ... .................. well you could refuse help, but they would treat you anyway. .. You will never understand that pedophilia was both rare and unrepresentative. Catholic charity and mercy extend even to you. .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. ALSO - PLEASE stop using these posts for your personal spats. Disgusting.
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    Joseph who? Those rats?
    May 23, 2012 5:01 am
    Yeah, that was pretty disgusting, wasn't it? Sometimes it is hard not to stoop to their level.

    ron, despite your contention, pedophilia was moderately wide spread.

    And world wide.

    And known about at the highest levels of the church.

    And hidden.

    The church has used US bankruptcy laws to hide behind.

    ron, I'm not a hater of the Catholic church, it disturbs me when an organization freely uses the US legal system when it is to their benefit. In this case, to deny claimants their legally awarded settlements but then screams when it is asked to follow US law when it is not to their benefit, especially when they use the guise of "religious freedom" while participating in decidedly non religious ventures.

    See?

    No hate at all.

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  • ron prevost wrote...
    So - by your thinking Hitler didn't hate Jews.
    May 23, 2012 6:07 am
    He just wanted them 'corrected' ??????? ............. Hate by any other name is still hate. Don't try to hide by sounding pompus of thoughtful. Your spat attacks on Law and Kersey betray any sembalence of rationality. ........................... And just WHY, in the name of whatever, are you calling St. Joe's 'those rats.' ??????? ... That hospital saved my wife's life 3 times 2 years ago. ... And they would even save you - even knowing who you are.
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    "Joseph Gerbles", I think you meant Joseph Goebbels, that was the rat reference, a Gerbil
    May 23, 2012 6:30 am
    Pompous? Factual ron.

    You know I am not getting the Hitler analogy at all. Explain please. And calm down.

    I respond to Kersey and Law in kind. Like I do you.

    But YOU did not respond to the point of my post. The church's use of US bankruptcy law to skirt the payment of legally determined settlements to victims of pedophilia while screaming "religious freedom" to skirt US law while participating in decidedly non religions activities.

    Oh, it will be a while until I see your response, (if you respond) my wife and I are off on a bike ride today.

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  • ron prevost wrote...
    Hate is not good for the human soul
    May 23, 2012 7:12 am
    no matter how you disguise it. And if you really think you can excuse your dumb 'rats' reference .... ?????????????? ... I 'get' the point of your post - old news and way off topic as it is. ......................................................... .............. Have fun bike riding. And if you see the BikeNazi - and he challenges a car - call St. Joseph's Hospital. Those 'pedophiles' will treat even him, as they would you.
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    funny, the "hate" card.
    May 23, 2012 12:13 pm
    Bill Law, the idiot fireman, Kersey and Grunt all use it, while spewing hate themselves about just about anything or anybody they don't agree with.

    I think you over use it yourself, ron.

    Now where did I say EVERY Catholic is a pedophile? I hope they aren't since much of my family are regular church goers. Catholic church goers. I don't hate the Church, ron. I don't LIKE some of their politics.

    So ron, distorting my comment that pedophilia was "moderately widespread" in the church into St. Joseph's hospital is a pedophile organization is a stretch.

    Even for you.

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  • ron prevost wrote...
    Good night, and God bless.
    May 23, 2012 3:36 pm
    At least He can still find mercy for you. It won't work. So just slither away.
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  • William Lawn wrote...
    I think any slithering here ron
    May 23, 2012 6:32 pm
    is being done by you.

    Too bad.

    It was interesting.

    For a little bit.

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  • William Lawn wrote...
    After posting that, here I am again
    May 23, 2012 6:42 pm
    So HE is against me?

    HE?

    You hypocrite, how do YOU know what HE thinks?

    Do you know our relationship?

    HE and me?

    Does HE talk to you?

    Are you somehow special?

    Crazy.

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  • mobeta wrote...
    Go away Lawn boy!!!
    May 23, 2012 7:34 am
    You're not funny or witty, your a jerk and need to stop this crap!
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  • RonJ wrote...
    Somebody
    May 23, 2012 9:24 am
    needs a nap.
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  • kata wrote...
    completely incurable case of crotchety.
    May 23, 2012 8:25 am
    -
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  • kata wrote...
    eggzactly!
    May 22, 2012 3:08 pm
    -
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  • kata wrote...
    the above was directed at
    May 22, 2012 3:09 pm
    ron not Lawn
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  • rational wrote...
    William Lawn
    May 22, 2012 4:58 pm
    And when the government moves into the realm of religion it becomes a religion. I say no to both Obama establishing a government religion and to forcing it down our throats. The left blusters about groups wanting to form a theocracy as they themselves are doing.

    ABO 2012...vote for freedom, vote for sanity.

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  • It's me! Ha ha! wrote...
    The Dear Leader
    May 22, 2012 2:00 pm
    wants this to go to court.

    Just more Obamunist erosion of our rights. In this case religion.

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  • DesertRez wrote...
    It's only
    May 22, 2012 2:29 pm
    the first amendment of the constitution. No big deal.
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  • irony wrote...
    does it have to...are you serious...
    May 22, 2012 3:45 pm
    not does it have to but a lawsuit for damages should be filed also. why do liberals scream foul play when people object when they force their views on everyone. ironic isn't it. put your abortion where the sun don't shine and pay for it yourself.
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  • irony wrote...
    lets force everyone to pay for bibles and see.
    May 22, 2012 3:48 pm
    how far that gets, or pay for every pregnancy....liberals are so hypocritial in their claims healthcare for all, when what they really mean is a pain pill for ailing grandma and abortion services for themselves. ironic isn't, the hypocracy of liberals, playing God with everyone by forcing their views on everyone.
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  • mnpat wrote...
    Pay for your own birth control
    May 22, 2012 4:06 pm
    Condoms are not covered by any insurance, time women used the same thing and paid for them like us guys do.
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  • Keitho wrote...
    Are you really that stupid?
    May 22, 2012 4:14 pm
    Or are you attemping humor Dave? This has little to do with the $9 pill and all to do with giovernment's infirngement on religiuos freedom.
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  • SickofSeattleite wrote...
    yes, off to court...
    May 23, 2012 5:46 am
    the Govt is supposed to be for the people by the people. Not for the people by the insurance company or Govt. Butt out.
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