TCTI: Too Crazy Too Ignore
 Dave Ross
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Rain drops gather on a rose near a teddy bear on a makeshift memorial in the Sandy Hook village of Newtown, Conn., Monday, Dec. 17, 2012, as the town mourns victims killed in Friday's school shooting. (AP Photo/Julio Cortez)

Are we fed up yet?

BY Dave Ross  on December 17, 2012 @ 8:28 am (Updated: 10:46 am - 12/17/12 )

Is the massacre in Connecticut going to be the watershed that breaks the deadlock on gun control?

A new Huffington Post poll found 50 percent of Americans say they want stricter gun laws now.

But the same problem is still there: What new law would have prevented Adam Lanza from shooting up that school?

Maybe a law that would have required his mother to lock up her guns? With regular inspections? Or a strict ban on military-style weapons with high capacity magazines? Then his mother could never have bought that AR-15. And he might have been forced to stop and reload, which might have given those teachers a chance to tackle him.

But that's still no guarantee, because this shooter was single-minded, secretive, and suicidal.

Then there's the other reality: that there are members of Congress who still believe that Americans must always have access to the kind of weapons that would enable them to fend off government tyranny, and the Connecticut massacre changes nothing for them.

Rep Louie Gohmert of Texas on Fox News Sunday said if anything, you give the teacher an assault weapon to fight back. You don't take assault weapons away from the American people.

"A free people should be an armed people. It insures against the tyranny of the government. If they know the biggest army is the American people then you don't have the tyranny that came from King George," Gohmert said.

Well, the British seem to have no interest in taking us back. So I guess it's working.

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  • sportsguru wrote...
    I say
    December 17, 2012 10:18 am
    We all should just go back to the old west day when everybody could just strap on a weapon and openly carry them. We could all wear them in school, church, the malls, movies, Seahawk staduim. Since it is obvious that we are too dumb to learn from our own darn history, let's just turn the clock back and everybody strap them on. That way we can all feel comfortable and be a lot safer,lol.
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  • Ron_Spins wrote...
    I am fed up with the predictable responses from Democrats.
    December 17, 2012 10:20 am
    Gun control (gun free zones) causes these problems...How is Chicago working out for ya?Schools created the atmosphere where if a boy playfully displays a finger gun the poor boy is expelled.The Principal and teachers have been disarmed as well (guns are bad)leaving the school open to be a killing field for mass murderers that crave infamy.Meanwhile Hollywood (liberal) cranks out violent garbage (and racist) movies like django "coming at Christmas" that are filled with gunfire and murder. The TV shows the same thing.Clearly if the Democrat's cant even craft a budget (over 1000 days now)and it's a required thing to do they cant craft a solution to mental health issues.If the Democrat's cant bargain for a solution to the fiscal cliff they cant "change" society for the better , instead the Democrats make everything worse..yes I am fed up.
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  • TYR wrote...
    Dave Ross
    December 17, 2012 10:37 am
    pontificating from his perch at the highest point on Mercer Island, where police protection is moments away.
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  • messiah101 wrote...
    TYR
    December 17, 2012 10:56 am
    Actually Ross is not "Pontificating".What he is doing is throwing out some talking points to get a conversation going on this topic.Are you afraid of even discussing the topic or is it that you simply don't have anything to add?
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  • cdbtx wrote...
    Ideological Predators
    December 17, 2012 10:42 am
    Sadly that's a title that Dave and Luke can wear.

    If they opted for informing people based upon wisdom verses trying to use people's emotions to invoked their ideological beliefs it would be different.

    I'm 100% in support of personal freedoms and liberties and with that belief comes risks.

    I don't own a gun, but support anyone that wants too, but nor do I feel that I should PUSH my ideological beliefs upon others.

    John Curly actually addressed it best - How much of your freedoms are you willing to sacrifice?

    Obviously Dave and Luke are willing to sacrifice a significant portion of their freedoms - ONLY AS LONG AS THEY ADHERE TO "THEIR" IDEOLOGICAL BELIEFS.

    Case in point - How many times have we heard Dave and Luke Defend the rights of Muslims against Racial Profiling after 911 - it was a crusade to protect our freedoms as Americans... 2% of Muslims are extremists.... ".0000002%" of Americans are mass murders though and because of ideological beliefs not reality they feel they should impose their will upon others.

    Individual and State Rights for POT SMOKERS - but not for the American that wants the right to buy or not buy health insurance...

    Time to remind Dave and Luke of their hypocrisy.. btw.. LUKE... if you think guns are too easy to obtain... your moronic comment about how the Gov't has regulated explosives after the OKCY bombing... try using google and see what you can find on-line... or take a walk around your kitchen and bathroom after google.... then try telling me which is easier to acquire...

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  • sportsguru wrote...
    cdbtx
    December 17, 2012 10:51 am
    Finally a right winger with a good point. Good post and your right. I still insist that we look at how we deal with people with mental illness. The way we deal with mental illness is a mockery.
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  • logical open mind wrote...
    come on sportsG-On page 1-- I think I made some good points :) come on give me some props!
    December 17, 2012 11:13 am
    And I am a libertarian which really means I lean more to the right.
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  • sportsguru wrote...
    logical open mind
    December 17, 2012 11:22 am
    Ok, I skipped over your post because I assumed you were calling someone a name and clowning there post. After reading your post, I could be one of the best that you have posted to date. I agree with it, especially about the mental illness and I hate when someone want to start legislation after an emotional loss. If it was so important, it could have been part of the campaign, so I don't agree with ANY politician using this to forward any agenda. Good post logical open mind
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  • logical open mind wrote...
    Sports-ok i wont call posters names if it means folks dont read my inputs.
    December 17, 2012 12:46 pm
    in real life I really am open minded-really.
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  • maplefish wrote...
    Cdbtx & guru
    December 17, 2012 1:00 pm
    Excellent point & guru -hilarious!
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  • messiah101 wrote...
    cdbtx
    December 17, 2012 11:08 am
    The folks KILLED by gun violence have (or had)their right to Freedom and Liberty's also.Your case in point about Dave and Luke defending the Rights of Muslims was a idiotic example . If Muslims were daily killing Americans you can darn well believe that the LEFT would go along with profiling Muslims but that is no where near a problem so profiling is BOGUS. However LEGAL gun owners as well as illegal owners are involved in the annual Killing of 10s of 1000s of our fellow citizens so lets start PROFILING the problem.Yes guns are too easy to acquire everyone is aware that they are Gun shows are the source and its easy to purchase a gun with NO background check.Just yesterday on Slick Deals a merchant was selling 30 round magazines as well as 100 round magazines for that Same BushMaster AR15 that the shooter used to kill the kids.Do you feel its your right to buy 100 round magazines?
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  • deltta wrote...
    messiah
    December 17, 2012 11:19 am
    Why are you afraid of 100 round magazines? IMHO they don't work very well,double the weight and size of the rifle and put all the eggs in one basket.
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  • messiah101 wrote...
    deltta
    December 17, 2012 12:27 pm
    I guarded Nuclear weapons in the 1960s with a semi automatic M-1 carbine which I believe only had a clip of 10-15 rounds.Our strike teams (backups) carried the same plus a 38 cal 6 shot pistol.Of course we carried extra clips (6 total if I remember properly. In Vietnam we guarded Air bases with M-16s but carried just 20 rounds in the weapon and 120 rounds total. Why are 100 round magazines available ? What purpose do they have? They do allow a poor marksman to make up for his poor aiming capability by firing a huge amount of lead at a target.
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  • sportsguru wrote...
    Messiah101
    December 17, 2012 1:14 pm
    Not to be a nit picker, but you had a total of 140, you forgot to include the magazine in your weapon (lucille), it was standard to carry 6 20 round clips in your belt and the one in your weapon. After Vietnam, they went to the 30 round clips for a total of 210 rounds, discouraged using the fully automatic that was preferred in Vietnam (wasteful ammunition when firing out of foxhole without looking,lol) and developed the single, three round burst and full auto that was discouraged M16a2. My baby was the M60, 1100 rounds per minute with a 800-1100 meter range that I could walk to you like a dog on a leash. Whooaa, I'm getting a chill thinking about it.
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  • messiah101 wrote...
    Guru
    December 17, 2012 3:47 pm
    Forgot to add that in Vietnam our strike teams had the M60 plus I believe M79 grenade launcher,we also had towers which had 50 cal machine guns.The 1st time the 50cal was fired the vibration brought the tower down with 4 guys in it
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  • DesertRez wrote...
    If pols cared about real solutions
    December 17, 2012 10:51 am
    They would look around and see what actually works. Let's take Israel for example. They are surrounded by suicidal enemies that would love to shoot up a school. What works for them? How do they protect their schools? But no, they will pass some feel-good legislation that bans high cap mags, or black scary rifles that do nothing.
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  • deltta wrote...
    So what about the mother?
    December 17, 2012 11:00 am
    She purchased the firearms. She taught the kid to shoot. She failed to keep the weapons secure. She knew her kid was nuts. She did as much to cause this as anything.....
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  • AceBass wrote...
    Tyranny of Government.
    December 17, 2012 11:09 am
    My biggest fear is tyranny of government. Tyranny of law. That tyranny starts to take on a very real and physical essence when my government restricts me from owning a rifle capable of allowing me the ability to resist tyranny. I will not sit back and passively allow my rights to be diminished. That people commit murder, always have and always will is understood to be a part of nature. My firearm is my own best defense.
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  • lunstrumelectric wrote...
    the real problem
    December 17, 2012 11:19 am
    I would say mainstream soceity/media as a whole is a problem. Most mentally ill and unstable people had an extremely messed up child hood, no solid role models, were molested or beaten. On top of that our news media conglomerates dwell mainly on violent stories such as these that make these people famous and show them a way to get all of the attention they've craved there whole lifes. I also don't think super realistic violent movies and video games help at all either. If you really want to help fix problems like these mentor a child,be nice to a stranger mentor a child and boycott news stations proffiting off of the misfortunes of others like kiro
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  • Roark wrote...
    Yes, Dave, fed up with YOU and other Liberals
    December 17, 2012 1:00 pm
    You people never cease to amaze with your inane stupidity. If laws stopped people from committing crimes we would have seen an end to all crimes a long time ago. You and your fellow idiot liberals are bent on taking this out on the NRA and other INNOCENT GUN OWNERS. STOP IT! Any rational person knows the point of treatment in this is the mentally ill individuals who do these things, NOT millions of gun owners. And do you really think you can remove every last gun from the country? Or do you just want the criminals to be the only people with guns?
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  • WashingtonCitizen wrote...
    Lot of talk about mental health issues....
    December 17, 2012 1:27 pm
    on the news today. Some are asking for kids to be able to point the finger at anyone/kid who acts "odd". Then to have some governing body order anyone acting "odd" to a mental health professional. Then to have that professional inform local schools, police, etc, that this individual may have serious issues............ My question is how are these professionals going to get around HIPPA laws. Sharing any private information without due consent of the patient is 10yrs in jail and $250,000 fine! Yes......mom was shot with her own gun....while she was sleeping! Yes...mom was aware her son was disturbed to the point where she did not like to leave him alone. Yes.....she should have owned a gun safe to secure her firearms from her crazy son, but I do not think gov't should be telling anyone how to store their firearms. They say this kid wasn't picked on at school etc. I don't believe it. This shooter had serious issues with his former school. I also think he was a copycat of the recent Oregon mall shooting. None of these problems can be legislated away...... Sad days...........and the silly season has has a few weeks to go. Odds are some other depressed, out of work, lost their home, etc, individual will do something similar in the coming weeks. I hope not.
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