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They held a buyback, and a gun show broke out

BY Dave Ross  on January 28, 2013 @ 5:34 am (Updated: 12:56 pm - 1/28/13 )

There was a gun buyback over the weekend in Seattle - hundreds of weapons turned in, including three street-sweeper shotguns- which impressed the mayor.

"I think just looking at the name, 'Street-Sweeper,' says it all. That's not used for hunting deer," said Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn.

And in return the police handed out Amazon.com gift cards but it wasn't just the police that were buying.

Private buyers showed up too - tempting the citizenry with cash.

"I'm going to sell to whoever gives me the most money, wouldn't you?" asked one citizen.

For the guntrepreneurs, buyback programs are a great opportunity: A large gathering of law abiding gun owners ready to dump their weapons and probably having no idea what their guns are worth on the open market.

The same thing has happened over the years at buybacks in Detroit, Cleveland, Tucson, Dallas, Austin - private buyers turning police buybacks into a demonstration of the gun show loophole.

In fact, at an Austin gun buyback two years ago, a group called Texans for Accountable Government took it a step further.

"And rather than destroy them, like the Austin Police Department plans to do - we might have put them in the hands of peaceful, law-abiding citizens who are in need of firearms and potentially can't afford them themselves," explained a TAG spokesman.

They would give the guns to poor people! Because they think buybacks are ridiculous.

"It makes about as much sense as turning in your beer to reduce DWI," said one Austin citizen.

Hmm - which would mean that a better way to reduce drunk driving would be to hand out free beer?

I'll have to think that one through.

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  • gladidontliveinkingco wrote...
    Mayor McGinn says:
    January 28, 2013 7:37 am
    "I think just looking at the name, 'Street-Sweeper,' says it all. That's not used for hunting deer," said Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn. Hey Mayor, that is not what the 2nd amendment is about.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    What an idiot huh?
    January 28, 2013 8:32 am
    As if the 2nd Amendment was created to protect American's from the tyrannical violent deer population of the US at the time.... Facking stupid politicians... you'd think if your job, your life revolved around the business of Governance that you would KNOW YOUR FACKING HISTORY AND RESPECT YOUR CONSTITUTION!!!!!
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  • calapete wrote...
    how many tanks do you own?
    January 28, 2013 8:39 am
    get a grip man.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    calapete - What's your point?
    January 28, 2013 8:48 am
    I'm not arguing for a dang tank, i'm arguing that citizens have a right to defend themselves and their familiies from people that would do them harm. I see no problem with having the ability to defend yourself. The constitution guarantees this right. I and a few million of my brothers have defended this right over the years and some of us have been to places where the people did not have the right to defend themselves... i can tell you what that's like... but people like you have never seen it and you think we should all just give up our guns and sing kumbaya and think we'll never have any problems... it's naive.. and i pity you.
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  • calapete wrote...
    why can't you have a tank? wouldnt that violate the 2nd amendment?
    January 28, 2013 9:36 am
    where does it say in the Constitution or bible that you can't have a tank?
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Calapete - would it suprise you to learn....
    January 28, 2013 9:45 am
    That private citizens do in fact own tanks? ... my guess is yes... of course these are outdated... but it's true. You are doing the one thing an idiot does when his point is invalid, continue to argue using only the most extreme instances in order to try and save your argument. Obviously i don't need a tank to defend myself. At some point calapete, common sense should enter the argument and you should stop trying to act like the argument here is about whether citizens should own tanks.
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  • BeenThere wrote...
    I owned a tank at one time.
    January 28, 2013 9:13 pm
    It was a '55 Chev with a 3 on the tree. If I'd have put a gun rack in the back window with my 30-06, technically, that's a tank.
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  • ratrustle wrote...
    This is why I love America!
    January 28, 2013 7:51 am
    No matter how much our nanny tries to protect us from ourselves, some enterprising folks find a way to make it work in their favor. Hooray! I'm waiting for a bill in our State legislature to ban this "loophole" next... But seriously, we ought to have an SPD mental health awareness day if you want to do something about the real issue here.
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  • calapete wrote...
    yes, ban private sales.
    January 28, 2013 8:39 am
    The people support it.
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  • I'mFromButte wrote...
    The people support it.??
    January 28, 2013 9:01 am
    SOME people support it. The rest of us cling to our bibles and guns and a pocket sized Constitution.
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  • RonJ wrote...
    Cal
    January 28, 2013 10:15 am
    By 'the people" you mean yourself and one or two others?
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  • philweed47 wrote...
    guns arent the problem
    January 28, 2013 8:01 am
    Liberals are the problem. They're weakening our country and making people soft. If you don't like guns, then so be it. Don't think that whining and crying about it is going to make me surrender them!
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  • calapete wrote...
    I dont like guns
    January 28, 2013 8:40 am
    what protects me from getting shot by the idiot next door "cleaning" his gun?

    Gun nuts make us less safe. Read the news, more people shoot themselves, loved ones or innocent bystanders than actually shoot a bad guy.

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  • Cbrew wrote...
    calapete - Move to a nation that doesn't allow people the right to defend themselves....
    January 28, 2013 8:53 am
    Then maybe you'll feel safe? Entire neighborhoods in LA and Chicago and Detroit have been claimed by criminal gangs that have and will acquire guns legally or illegally, you would say to the people that are forced to live in and around those neighborhoods that they should surrender their rights to protect themselves and their families, you're so naive. people like you make no sense. You're the problem with society, you think that because you wouldn't do harm to others that they wouldn't do harm to you? Well maybe that's easy to say when nothing bad has happened to you, but I guarantee if a group of thugs broke into your home held guns to your family members heads and made you watch them do horrible things to your family you'd probably wish you had a way to defend yourself.
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  • circuitfr wrote...
    Calapete
    January 28, 2013 8:59 am
    Nothing protects you from accidently just like nothing protects you from getting hit by a car, or hit by lightening, or getting cancer and dying. Freedom and Liberty to not give you the right to oppress everyone else for fear of your safety. If that was the case, I could say 5 gallon buckets make me feel unsafe as children die in them every year. Therefore 5 gallon bucket nuts make us less safe..Your argument is childish and emotional. It is fine you don't like guns, but thank God, America, and the constitution isn't about what "calapete" doesn't like. If you are anybody else has trouble figuring out what the founding father intended with the 2nd amendment, you are misguided and probably haven't read any of the writings by Jefferson or Adams.
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  • calapete wrote...
    what do guns and buckets have in common?
    January 28, 2013 9:39 am
    nothing.
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  • RonJ wrote...
    Petey
    January 28, 2013 10:21 am
    they both are capable of killing, read the post s-l-o-w-l-y.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Calapete - What protects you from being run over by an idiot driver?
    January 28, 2013 9:19 am
    You want to talk about accidental deaths then why aren't you speaking out about driving... maybe we should follow your line of thinking and remove people's right to drive cars... because vehicles cause more deaths than guns do... maybe we should just have a taxi system or buses... and only certain few should have the right to drive.... how about giving up more rights in the name of safety? ... your argument is just so stupid Calapete, how can you not see that?
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  • brink182 wrote...
    cbrew, correction
    January 28, 2013 1:43 pm
    actually it is a privilege to drive not a right. but I do agree with you highly. the focus should be on education and safety rather then ban and removing. I had to have a class before getting my CPL
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  • RonJ wrote...
    Pete
    January 28, 2013 10:18 am
    what protects you from any idiot doing anything idiotic? Nadda. Zip. Are only gun owners idiots? That's like saying only black people are lazy.
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  • RonJ wrote...
    Pete your wrong
    January 28, 2013 10:20 am
    about people accidentally shooting themselves. you must get your news from The Onion.
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  • calapete wrote...
    read the news
    January 28, 2013 10:39 am
    BOSTON, MA, 1/20/13: “He was cleaning his gun, and he forgot there was a shell in the chamber, and he struck his girlfriend in the head,” he said. “They were madly in love with each other. This wasn’t domestic violence. It was an accident.”

    SALT LAKE CITY, UT, 1/20/13: Salt Lake City police on Thursday were investigating how an armed security guard managed to discharge his gun at the downtown branch of the public library. Sgt. Shawn Josephson said the CBI security guard’s weapon accidentally discharged about noon Sunday at the Main Library, 210 E. 400 South. Library spokeswoman Julianne Hancock said the gun went off in the library’s first-floor security office prior to opening. A security guard Sunday accidentally discharged his weapon inside the downtown Main Library. No one was injured. The bullet went through two walls and embedded in a third, Josephson said.

    MESA, AZ, 1/20/13: When officers arrived, they found Noyes dead inside. The victim's 59-year-old wife, Patricia Noyes, was the only other person there, and detective say there is no indication that anyone else is involved. Police say there is some indication that the victim's wife was handling the gun, when it accidentally discharged.

    and my favorite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k-rGnMKszxg

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  • flipper wrote...
    Stupidity
    January 28, 2013 10:57 am
    If you can't follow safe gun handling rules then you shouldn't own a gun. ALWAYS assume that a gun is loaded. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot.
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  • Voodoo Child wrote...
    Thank you, Flipper!
    January 28, 2013 12:56 pm
    Those are the basics I learned way back in 1962- treat every gun as if it were loaded & never point it at anything you would not want to see destroyed. That's worked pretty well for me so far...
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Calapete and?
    January 28, 2013 11:00 am
    how about you look up the records of people killing other people in automobile accidents, they're more dangerous than guns.. you're stupid, your argument is stupid and you know it... worst of all you continue to argue your point despite knowing how badly you've been defeated in your argument.
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  • calapete wrote...
    i didn't lose
    January 28, 2013 11:44 am
    all the soon to be dead children, wives, fathers, best friends and co workers who will soon be killed by gun violence lose.

    but who knows, maybe I'll be one of those lucky enough to die so you can pretend to defend the Constitution.

    your automobile comparison is laughable. Do we build cars to kill humans? Google is about to roll out a smart car that drives itself. Soon self driving cars will be a thing of the past as technology will continue to solve the safety problems. Try again.

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  • brink182 wrote...
    just go to show...
    January 28, 2013 1:49 pm
    people that are against firearms are more likely have no clue about them. No education. I have a couple friends that are against gun completely. but they refuse to even try to understand. it just complete stupidity to have a opinion when you know nothing about it.
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  • RonJ wrote...
    petey
    January 28, 2013 2:42 pm
    your cherry picking, there are hundreds of millions of guns along with hundreds of millions of people here in the U.S. (actually about 9 guns for every 10 people). You cited 3 examples. Out of several hundred million potential accidents you cited 3. I'm no math genius but I'd say the odds of you being accidentally shot are infinitely small.
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  • brink182 wrote...
    Calapete, just a thought
    January 28, 2013 1:39 pm
    What about that drunk driver that just drove through your living room? I am sure more people die from car "accidents" than from guns. I would think that a "gun nut" would be more respectful and safety minded then your average gun owner that decide they needed a gun after the mass shootings in the past year. According to the Census bureau in 2009 9,203 death were report from firearms: 6,503 handguns, 352 rifles, 424 shotgun, 96 unknown. In 2009 there were 10.8 MILLIONS car accidents: 35,900 death from automobiles. So your likely almost 4 times the chance of you dying in a car accident and you hate guns. Good luck with that.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Our Schools have failed us... Because i have heard so many stupid comments about the constitution lately....
    January 28, 2013 8:03 am
    I keep hearing people say things about how you don't need an AR-15 to hunt and just in this article the mayor mentioning a street sweeper as not a gun to hunt with and people keep bringing up gun ownership with hunting as if that is what the 2nd Amendment was made to protect. IT'S NOT PEOPLE!!!! The second amendment was made to make sure citizens would always have the right to bear arms and it's intention was so people could own guns to defend themselves from OTHER PEOPLE if necessary!!!!... Not for hunting... SO yes, you don't need an AR-15 for hunting, Just like you don't NEED a Farrari for driving or a Lexus or a BMW but what right does anyone have saying you shouldn't be allowed to own one?
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  • BeenThere wrote...
    Cbrew.....
    January 28, 2013 8:23 am
    Well said.
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  • calapete wrote...
    ever read the 4th amendment?
    January 28, 2013 8:42 am
    You are all hypocrites. Why aren't you marching to protect the 4th amendment?

    Because you hide behind the constitution.

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  • Cbrew wrote...
    calapete - I WOULD defend the 4th Amendment if it was being attacked....
    January 28, 2013 8:58 am
    The 4th amendment protects us from unlawful search and seizure... I served in the military and swore to protect the constitution because i believe in it... i'm not some hippy like you that thinks it's just a piece of paper that holds no weight, it's the document that guarantees the freedoms of the most successful society this world has ever known... that's why I find it extremely sad to watch morons like you willing lay down your rights like they weren't bled for, like they weren't sacrificed for... all because you're scared... People like you are why we even have these rights guaranteed in writing, because you're too much of a coward to defend them.
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    You know, calapete, we probably SHOULD be marching to protect the 4th Amendment.
    January 28, 2013 9:07 am
    TSA violated the 4th nearly every time we fly and that whole 'patriot' act thing violates the 4th and a few others.

    The Constitution shouldn't be a matter of picking your favored rights. The ENTIRE Bill of Rights matters.

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  • calapete wrote...
    my point is, the 4th amendment has been decimated, violated every day
    January 28, 2013 9:41 am
    so why aren't all you defenders of the Constitution doing something about it?

    cause just like Christians and the bible, you pick and choose what parts you want based on your selfish needs.

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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Calapete - First i'd like to know.....
    January 28, 2013 9:50 am
    How are your 4th amendment rights violated every day? Are you in prison? tired of guards checking through your stuff? Also there are people defending our 4th amendment rights, the reason there isn't a massive public outcry right now about it, is because there isn't a group of politicians sitting in DC discussing making it legal for the Government to randomly come into your home or grab you on the street and search your stuff without any cause... We all defend the 4th amendment you're just being stupid because you want to win an argument. You think you're smart? Have you even read the constitution? obviously you have no respect for it, oh and i appreciate how you attacked a religion in your ranting, shows what kind of a facking biggot you are, you racist too? starting to get a profile here.
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  • calapete wrote...
    just the facts
    January 28, 2013 10:41 am
    do you feel safer?
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Calapete, your response doesn't even mean anything
    January 28, 2013 11:03 am
    do i feel safer about what? you being in prison? nope, you're a coward so i'm not worried about you, plus i have my second amendment rights which allows me the freedom to own something to defend myself
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  • calapete wrote...
    you ignore the voilations to the 4th amendment
    January 28, 2013 11:45 am
    because it makes you feel safer. The Government listening to your phone calls? heck you have nothing to hide. Tell me more how much you love the Constitution.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    What the heck are you talking about moron?
    January 28, 2013 4:18 pm
    When did I say I don't support the 4th amendment you stinking hipster... You don't even make sense... At no point did I even come close to disregarding the 4th amendment are you stoned?
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  • roomtemp wrote...
    @Cbrew...
    January 28, 2013 1:08 pm
    "there isn't a group of politicians sitting in DC discussing making it legal for the Government to randomly come into your home or grab you on the street and search your stuff without any cause"

    Not to be contentious but, yes, in fact there is. See; the patriot act, NDAA, NDRP, the affordable heath care act, the presidential 'hit' list, the TSA, umpteen executive orders, etc, etc.

    It's now completely 'legal' (albeit unconstitutional) for the government to search any records they want to, monitor your bank accounts and financial transactions, tap your cell phone, read your text messages and emails, and track your use of the internet. ('Data' doesn't require obtaining a warrant to monitor like an old school analog phone does. Conveniently for them, the bulk of communications nowadays transfers as 'data'.) They can now hold you in prison indefinitely without due process, or just execute you without a trial.

    Even just recently the "4th amendment protection act" introduced in the senate was overwhelmingly voted down, receiving only 12 votes. Locally, Patty Murray voted against protecting the 4th amendment and your privacy. Cantwell supported it.

    Even the first amendment has come under legislative attack under the guise of stopping child porn, online piracy, (SOPA, PIPA, SISPA) and the newest of their fictional bogeymen created to instill fear 'cyber terrorists!' (They said terrorists, ooooh - be afraid, be very afraid.)

    The entire bill of rights is being gutted before our very eyes and most people are too stupid to understand or care. This isn't a left/right liberal/conservative issue. It's a FREEDOM issue. Those rights protect ALL of us, no matter what our position in the political spectrum may be.

    The media mind control anti-gun propaganda is in full force now. Keep your eye out for 'bandwagon effect' propaganda. Like selected polls stating the majority declares guns to be unnecessary and bad. (Everybody else does, you should want to be like everybody.) And 'exclusionary effect' propaganda. Like all NRA members are evil and weird. (You don't want to be evil and weird like them.) It's easy to see and it's friggin pathetic that we have become such a nation of sheep.

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  • RonJ wrote...
    Because the 2nd
    January 28, 2013 10:29 am
    is the last line of defense. "When you've had enough and can't take anymore, grab your gun and run outside. If your alone, it's not time yet'.
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    calapete - did you read a word I said ???????
    January 28, 2013 11:16 am
    What part of "The entire Bill of Rights matters" is 'picking and choosing' ???????

    Oh, and by the way - I don't own any hand guns (or assault rifles, or tanks), so my own 'selfish needs' are better served by TSA not goosing me at check-in than any gun show.

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  • calapete wrote...
    agreed
    January 28, 2013 11:57 am
    Save the 4th Amendment.

    We all know the second amendment isn't going anywhere. NRA owns too many Senators and Judges.

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  • RonJ wrote...
    Big Sis
    January 28, 2013 10:27 am
    Janet Napolitano has just requested 7000 "assault weapons" for DHS because, in their own words, “ they are suitable for personal defense use in close quarters.” OK for the government to use for personal defense but not for the citizenry? http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/26/if-assault-weapons-are-bad-why-does-the-dhs-want-to-buy-7000-of-them-for-personal-defense/
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  • brink182 wrote...
    my understanding
    January 28, 2013 1:59 pm
    the 2nd amendment reads: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. At any givin time the government can call is up for service as I signed a draft registration, likely or not.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    Stupid Dems
    January 28, 2013 8:27 am
    Yeh you heard me, I supported the President during this election and I still support the Dem's economic policies... but i'm completely confounded by how stupid they are with the gun issue. They just blew any chance they had at getting a majority in the house and pushing through the much needed economic policies that would put this country back on good economic footing... They wasted all that momentum to start this stupid fight over guns... How stupid can you get? Republicans don't have many policies that make sense to me right now but on gun rights they're dead on... for that reason alone there are many folks that will REFUSE to vote for a Dem in the next election cycle... way to be dumb Democrats... and over something we have guaranteed to us in the Constituion... You can't fight the constitution you idiots...
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  • AceBass wrote...
    the 2nd Amendment
    January 28, 2013 8:28 am
    Is the Constitutions "tyranny" alarm. Sure enough, it's beeping. Pay attention people. Pay attention.
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    AceBass - even if there isn't a threat from our Government right now....
    January 28, 2013 8:36 am
    That doesn't mean there won't be a threat in the future. The bottom line is the moment free people give up their right to defend themselves is the moment we give up our right to live in a free society. Freedom in the history of mankind has been fleeting, look anywhere in our history books... it's always been attacked at some point, it's always REQUIRED that free people defend it. To relinquish our arms willingly is like committing freedom suicide.
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  • Splinge wrote...
    Dave, thatis is typical first stage thinking...
    January 28, 2013 8:36 am
    The idea of "buying back guns" in a free country where it isn't a crime to own firearms, actually it's a God given right in our Constitution, is something Constitutionally protected, by free speech, or action, I suppose. Selling the firearms is a natural action of owning them. But when you attack a group or person for something you disagree with doesn't make what you have to say gospel. In fact the conclusions you draw are self serving arguments, and don't have anything to do with your real intentions in my opinion. If the gun banning folks were really concerned about gun violence they'd be looking at all the social ramifications. The idea of taking the guns is kind of like the idea behind the Prohibition era. The problem is in the minds and hearts of the offending individuals, and how our society deals with criminals. But that is a sacred cow too for folks on the left. You need to put a little more thought into your idea, or, just come out and say you want to take away our Constitutional rights, but stop beating around the bush.
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  • AtheisticallyYours wrote...
    When gun nuts start DYING!
    January 28, 2013 9:42 am
    When gun nuts start getting MASSACRED WITH THEIR OWN WEAPONS, only THEN, will these idiot GUN NUTS start "re-thinking" the idea of WHO should be allowed to have access to weapons-automatic or not! So, its clear the body count HAS TO GO UP!
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  • Cbrew wrote...
    How i know AtheisticallyYours is a moron
    January 28, 2013 9:58 am
    #1 - he thinks gun nuts are stupid. Because people who defend their constitutional right are stupid? Because whether or not you own a gun is an indication of intelligence? All of our founding fathers owned guns, are you calling them all stupid? #2 - and this is the most telling, you can tell right away when somebody is a complete idiot when they bring up the idea that this gun argument is about having automatic weapons... IT'S NOT ABOUT AUTOMATIC WEAPONS!!! THOSE ARE ILLEGAL ALREADY YOU JACK#SS!!!!
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  • RonJ wrote...
    AtheisticallyYours
    January 28, 2013 10:31 am
    Gun nuts don't get massacred because......they have guns. Get it?
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  • lazarus wrote...
    Hmmm, you do realize
    January 28, 2013 10:40 am
    That those you label as 'gun nuts' outnumber you? You mentioned that 'they' should 're-think...' the idea of who should be 'allowed' to have weapons. I'm curious who do you think that should be? Further, can those that read your comments presume that you don't believe in our democratic majority rules representitive society? And when you mention body counts, it makes me like the vast majority of law-abiding citizens gratified that we have access to the tools we need to defend ourselves.
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  • Stevebo wrote...
    It's sad that people want to remain focused so much on gun control, yet other issues (such as mental health) are pushed to the side...
    January 28, 2013 10:13 am
    This counts for you too Mr. Ross (in perpetuating the tired argument).

    As to this whol buy-back thing. It's nothing more than a "feel good" thing for the mayor and other people that are too short-sighted to realize that this whole program will make absolutely zero impact on anything.

    Instead of arguing whether an AR-15 should be made illegal, why not talk about how we better keep people that shouldn't have access to an AR-15 getting access?

    Clearly poeple are passionate about the issue... and that's the problem with passionate arguments - they produce knee-jerk emotional responses and statements that bear no logical merit.

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  • RonJ wrote...
    @stevebo
    January 28, 2013 2:48 pm
    You've nailed the essence of modern politics. It's about making the constituents "feel good". All fluff and no substance.
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  • ohyea53 wrote...
    I think just looking at the name, 'Street-Sweeper,' says it all. That's not used for hunting deer," said Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn.
    January 28, 2013 10:22 am
    One more time for the slow folks. The 2nd amendment is not about hunting! It never or never will be. Back when the constitution was written if you didn’t hunt you didn’t eat! So it is just another way for the anti-gun people to mislead or all out lie to the American people.
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