TCTI: Too Crazy Too Ignore
 Dave Ross
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Do words fire bullets?

August 17, 2012 @ 12:53 pm (Updated: 7:14 am - 8/18/12 )

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Family Research Council President Tony Perkins speaks during a news conference to discuss Wednesday's shooting, Thursday, Aug. 16, 2012, in Washington. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)


Floyd Lee Corkins II, age 28, the gunman who shot an unarmed employee at the Family Research Council in Washington this week, might be crazy or he might just be angry. But based on what he said, he had a beef with the group's conservative politics.

The FRC opposes gay marriage, and Corkins was active with a gay rights group.

But what actually set him off? Tony Perkins, President of the FRC speculates it was his organization's presence on a hate groupe list posted by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

"I believe the Southern Poverty Law Center should be held accountable for the reckless use of terminology that is leading to what the FBI here has categorized as an act of domestic terrorism," said Perkins.

He says that hate group list gave the gunman a "license to shoot an unarmed man."

We can't yet be sure what motivated this guy. But I think the Southern Poverty Law center is setting itself up when they call it a "hate list."

Because it's clear there are people in this country who will open fire just because of the thoughts racing around in their heads. And if their thoughts match something on your group's web page, it's going to pop onto the screen and suddenly you're in the news in a bad way.

The Southern Poverty Law Center might want to rethink this, but so might conservative groups that might list bible verses. Especially Leviticus 20:13: "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman... they are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

In a country where the angry and insane have as much right to a gun as anybody else, both sides of the moral debate have to worry about how someone might justify his decision to shoot himself into the news.



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  • Cameron wrote...
    Another weak rationalization by Dave Ross
    August 18, 2012 6:47 am
    It's never enough to let the facts speak for themselves right Dave? It's always a "yes but" rationalization when its a liberal/gay/ leftist crazy that does something violent or stupid. You always try to tie it a slam on the Bible, Religion or Religious people, George Bush, The Republicans. It's boring, repetitive and weak minded. Time to retire to your enclave on Mercer Island with your fellow one percenters and yell at small children to stay off your lawn.
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  • Zagnut wrote...
    Liberals think conservatives are hateful. Conservatives think liberals are wrong.
    August 18, 2012 7:00 am
    Big difference in attitudes.
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  • messiah101 wrote...
    Zagnut
    August 18, 2012 8:22 am
    But if you follow the postings on various topics of political interest from people who fit the category of Conservatives you will find they are a HATE filled group.When you made your comment you were ONLY speaking perhaps of your very own attitude
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  • RonJ wrote...
    Messypants
    August 18, 2012 9:30 am
    I'm pretty sure he was speaking for lots of us. At least two of us anyway. I don't hate weak-minded lefties but I do wonder how long I'm going to have to clean up after them.
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  • Oly80 wrote...
    not long...
    August 18, 2012 2:20 pm
    most liberals are a pretty clean bunch.

    it'll take DECADES to undo some of the far right's missteps.

    for the BILLIONTH time, extremes on EITHER side of the isle are stupid. on this site we just seem to hear a GREAT deal from the far right side. they're too emotional and get really fired up and do seem to hate quite a bit without any logical basis other than what Fox News told them to say/think.

    dems on the far left are whimps.

    both extremes make BOTH parties looks STUPID. AND, those of you representing EITHER are just fueling the fire.

    and proving to anyone who reads these that YOU are actually the weak-minded ones.

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  • Zagnut wrote...
    Messiah, that is because you think those who disagree with your big government, liberal beliefs are hateful.
    August 18, 2012 12:11 pm
    When the policies you trumpet are exposed as feel-good policies that fail and have horrible unintended consequences it hurts you. You and your liberal friends lash back and refuse to admit your failures. You attack the motives of your opponents. We on the right don't attack the left's motives. We think your motives are well intended. We think that in general we are all striving for similar results. But we think you are sadly mistaken on how to reach those results. And we believe history is on our side and we have the overwhelming evidence that our policies work much better. The poor is better off with conservative policies. The middle class is better off. And, despite how it may cause libs to get ticked off and therefore reject conservative policies, the rich also are better off. Everyone does better.
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  • wsualumn wrote...
    Zag Nut
    August 18, 2012 12:02 pm
    I suggest you read the blogs on Fox News and just see how loving those conservatives are. I am not denying that you can't find it on the blogs of MSNBC either. I have seen it on here from both sides as well. Hate is not limited to one political group and if you think your political group is immune from it, your are being very naive.
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  • Zagnut wrote...
    wsualumn, I don't deny there are bloggers that spew hate from the right. I'm not stupid.
    August 18, 2012 12:15 pm
    I'm talking about LEGITIMATE commentators. Those who are put in positions of power. The leaders and the legitimate mouthpieces of the left think the right is hateful. The leaders and the legitimate mouthpieces of the right think the left has bad policies and are wrong.
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  • wsualumn wrote...
    Zag
    August 18, 2012 12:40 pm
    Can you please tell me which commentators fit the bill and give me the examples of their comments? I listen to Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh give their fill, but I don't count them as legitimate commentators.
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  • daveismenotyou wrote...
    I don't believe that for a second.
    August 18, 2012 5:57 pm
    You listen to soundbites maybe. No way you listen to nine hours of talk radio.
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  • wsualumn wrote...
    davies
    August 19, 2012 3:21 am
    Who in their right mind would listen to 9 hours of mindless talk from either side. They both have their slants.
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  • Zagnut wrote...
    And I will also admit that even the legitimate m/pieces and leaders of the right sometimes get sucked into the stupidity.
    August 18, 2012 12:19 pm
    But I still maintain the GENERAL argument from the right is that "the left's policies don't work and have horrible long-term consequences", and while the left tries to also say that, the message they focus on is that "the right has impure motives".
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  • wsualumn wrote...
    Zag
    August 18, 2012 2:13 pm
    What I am looking for is newscasters who that supposedly say hateful things. I am talking about newscasters on NBC, CBS, ABC, or PBS. The ones that are considered mainstream newscasters. I have always believed they will go after both parties. If it is a story, they cover it. Clinton got it over Lewinsky and they covered him on his womanizing. Bush got it over the mishandling of Katrina and how Brown got his job with no credentials.
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  • Zagnut wrote...
    While those on the left most definitely spew hate, that is not my point.
    August 19, 2012 6:17 am
    My point is that those on the left think conservatives have bad motives and are hateful. They want to "push grandma over the cliff", they "hate gays", they "don't care about the poor", etc... I could go on and on and on and on - and you know it.
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  • maplefish wrote...
    @wsualumn
    August 18, 2012 12:49 pm
    Just watch PMSNBC for an hour if you want to watch a bunch of HATEMONGERS! The oh so ever tolerant left has zero tolerance for any other opinion than theirs. Democrats: constantly striving to hit a new level of Hypocrisy!
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  • wsualumn wrote...
    Maple
    August 18, 2012 2:23 pm
    The same can be said for Fox News. There is hypocrisy on both sides. Remember Fox News telling its viewers if you didn't support Bush with his Iraq Mission, you therefore didn't support the troops and were therefore UnAmerican? And what was The GOP doing the very first day of The Obama Presidency? To make him a one term president. What were they doing when Chicago didn't get The Olympics? Cheering. What were they doing when Obama got The Nobel Peace Prize? Complaining he didn't deserve it. What would Fox News be saying about The Dems if they did the same thing with a GOP candidate? And you say that Democrats constantly strive to hit a new level of hypocrisy? Another level of hypocrisy: Obamacare AKA Romneycare. It was brought about by The Heritage Foundation(Conservative Based), promoted by Newt Gingrich, implemented by Romney, and upheld by a conservative Supreme Court Judge. Mitt said it was a model for others to follow, but for some strange reason he wants to overturn it.
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  • maplefish wrote...
    Boo friggin Hooo
    August 18, 2012 4:40 pm
    Your argument is LAME...The media s soooooo slanted against any thing conservative it's a joke! But hey coug dude, if you want to pick on the only news station that presents facts then keep on whining... Your credibility is less than Zero...,
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  • wsualumn wrote...
    Maple
    August 18, 2012 7:20 pm
    Of course my argument is lame. Would I expect otherwise from you?
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  • 32coupe wrote...
    Sorry Dave, but...
    August 18, 2012 7:32 am
    There's no moral equivalence here. We don't label those with which we disagree as "haters" as the left consistently does. As noted before, we may label you as wrong or sometimes stupid but we don't put you on a list. Now if there was a 'right side' hate list I'm sure the SPLC should be on it. They are indeed hateful folks promoting hatred against anyone with a different viewpoint. What ever happened to this "inclusive" liberalism. If you only include those with which you agree is that really inclusive...?
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  • messiah101 wrote...
    32coupe
    August 18, 2012 8:30 am
    You must live on another world because your 100% wrong.To many people labeling a person a Communist are fighting words and daily our President is called not only a Communist but a trader to his country as well.In all my years on earth I have never seen a POTUS attacked by either political party in the HATEFUL ways that you Rightys have gone after Obama you warmed up your HATE and sharpened your swords with Bill Clinton and have gone after Obama from day 1.Think about the statement from Mitch Mcconnel who said it was his job to see that President Obama does not get re-elected.Have you ever heard that type of talk before?
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  • Paul Kersey wrote...
    you don't know what the word "hate" means messiah...(or apparently the words trader and traitor)
    August 18, 2012 8:48 am
    Many people actually take the label of communist as a badge of honor. Many of those people are or were in the current administration. To label them with their preferred ideology is not hate. Anita Dunn said one of the great leaders she admired most was Mao. Van Jones is another proud communist.

    Then there was Obama's mother....she too was a proud communist...as was his mentor Frank Marshall Davis, a proud communist.

    Get with the times messiah...your Democrat party is now the communist party. The times they are a changin'. Come out of the closet and wear your commie badge with pride.

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  • RonJ wrote...
    Messypants
    August 18, 2012 9:46 am
    There's a good reason why Obama is surrounded by vitriol, it's because he's easily the worst sitting President in the History of the United States. Do I hate him? No. Do I hate what he's done to our country? Yes. There's a difference, do you see it? He's a morally bankrupt individual who has a buffoon for a 2nd in charge. And now comes Romneys' VP pick, easily one of the most intelligent people to serve our country. What does the left come up with? His suit! His suit doesn't fit well! Biden tells a group of African-Americans that Romney is going to put them in chains. What an intellectual giant, but of course I mind what my Mom always told me, be careful what U ask for. America is getting exactly what it asked for.
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  • maplefish wrote...
    Obama may not be a communist
    August 18, 2012 12:57 pm
    But he is inept, incompetent, racist, corrupt and a pathological LIAR!
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  • wsualumn wrote...
    If This Is The Case
    August 18, 2012 2:56 pm
    What was George Bush? Obama took over an economy that was losing 750,000 jobs a months and has turned it around. Not to where it needs to be, but progress is being made. He came in with The market at about 7,000 and it is now over 13,000. He is getting us out of Iraq, followed through with getting Bin Laden when The GOP didn't bother with it anymore, followed through on the bailouts that saved many jobs from being lost. If this is what you call inept, what was George Bush? If Obama is incompetent, what was Bush? Corrupt? Cheney and Haliburton getting big fat no bid contracts through The White House and you want to discuss corruption? I can tell you what George Bush was if you can't figure it out; The Worst president in history. Got us into a war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, which he said it did and blew up the economy.
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    Wazzu - "W" has been gone nearly 4 years now.
    August 18, 2012 4:20 pm
    And even IF Boy George is the worst president in history (but my vote goes to Jimmy Carter), how does it credit Obama that all he can do is either blame Bush, or whine 'Bush did it too' whenever a plan or policy goes bad?.

    And will the left PLEASE stop thinking the economy is great because the stock market is up? The JOBS market is still way down. .. The Housing market is still way down. .. And prices at the supermarket keep going up. ----- By that Obama standard, Herbert Hoover had 'turned the economy around' by 1932.

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  • wsualumn wrote...
    ron
    August 18, 2012 7:32 pm
    Where did I say the economy is great? I also disagree that Obama is ALWAYS blaming Bush. I know, Fox says that is the case and that he bows down and apologizes for America. Pure Fox fallacy. Sean Hannity and Beck state it all of the time and their sheep believe them. If you expect the government to turn the housing market around in almost 4 years, you are dreaming. Bush had 8 years to dismantle everything and you complain that Obama has fixed his mess in almost 4 years? You also want to blame this president for higher food prices? Will you also blame him for high gas prices? Interesting because Fox said during Bush that the president has no affect on gas prices.
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    WAZZU - you aren't the entire LEFT.
    August 19, 2012 5:58 am
    But that's what I keep hearing lately. The market is up. The market is up. As if the stock market ever gave people jobs based on stock prices.

    But, as far as the housing market goes, I've been an appraiser for over 40 years now. And we have had at least seven market collapses since the (local) Boeing bust of 1969. NEVER - until now - has housing market recovery taken half this long. Even after Carter, housing came back well before the rest of the economy.

    And just a few other things - It's only the last 2 years of Bush that were especially bad (otherwise, we would have had Pres. Kerry) - no, Obama can't be blamed (at least by me) for gas prices, any more that he can be given credit if gas falls right before the election - food, on the other hand, ain't all the drought. -

    But I really don't follow FOX that much - Mike Huckabee and sometimes Bill O'Reily. But I thought they put Beck out to 'special reports' (IE: don't call us)at least a year ago. Certainly, he's still got his radio show, but .........

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  • wsualumn wrote...
    Ron
    August 19, 2012 10:19 am
    Comparing this housing market to the 1969 housing market is like comparing apples to oranges. This is a national collapse. The prices on homes back then weren't rising at ridiculous prices for an 8 year period. This is a problem that will take years to change. We have a world financial crisis.
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    WAZZU - READ, repeat READ the entire post.
    August 19, 2012 2:38 pm
    In 44 years there there have been at least SEVEN housing collapses. SIX, repeat SIX have been national. I'm not simply comparing 2008 to 1969. ... If I were to compare only one, that would be the 1979-80 Carter collapse. 1993 and 1999 were also bad - just not as bad. ... And, YES, prices WERE rising at ridiculous rates then - every time - before crashing. ... UH.. That's why we call a collapse a collapse.

    Excuse me, Wazzu, but if your guy weren't president right now, I doubt YOU would cut any slack about 'years to change'. But I've been in the business 44 years and I don't care WHO isn't doing the job. Or, rather, who is inhibiting the market from curing itself.

    But, Wazzu, and any & all on the Obama express, for everything, just ask yourself: "Would I be making excuses" for a President McCain ???

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  • wsualumn wrote...
    Ron
    August 19, 2012 4:40 pm
    So you expect this president to have fixed this mess by now? Is that what I am hearing? By the way, I wouldn't have expected McCain to have it figured out by now either. I supported Bush the first two years. When I saw what was going on in Iraq as far as cronyism and runaway spending went, I no longer backed him. I did support him on the bailouts in the end. And I think the bailouts saved a lot of job losses that could have resulted in an even worse housing market. I think Bush and Obama made a good choice. It will cost us a lot of money because of that choice. Bush spent a lot of money on a number of unnecessary things. The GOP didn't blink once. They supported him and didn't once scream about the money being spent. Now all of a sudden they are fiscally concerned. Here is Obama trying to keep things going with less revenues. It is time to cut spending and raise some taxes. Grover Norquist will be the downfall of The GOP. And Paul Ryan is not honest when it comes to policy. He requested stimulus money and claimed he didn't. He rubber stamped Bush Policies. He also advocated stimulus spending during Bush. He is full of contradictions. He says he is one thing, but he is in fact, not that at all. He didn't walk the talk.
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    Wazzu - not 'fix' the mess, but try something.
    August 19, 2012 6:28 pm
    While the bail-outs are debatable NOW, most everyone agreed to them in 2008. Remember, McCain actually suspended his campaign for a few days to work with the plans. I'm not really sure what you mean by Ryan 'requesting' stimulus money. It's usually governors and such that 'request' funding. As a congressman, though, he voted for the plan - as did the vast majority in both parties - and has never denied it. .... And, remember, virtually EVERYONE in congress votes with their party at least 90% of the time. If you call that 'rubber stamping', so be it.. ... The problem as I see it is Obama has done little for the economy SINCE the initial bail-outs, spending most of his time and energies on things like his health plan which - regardless of being a good thing for health care or not - does nothing for jobs.

    BTW, if you voted for Bush in 2000, that's more than I did. What you rave to realize is that the Bush family, and Dick Chaney, are Jerry Ford and Richard Nixon all over again. And EVERYTHING that all means.

    Suffice for here that that cabal lacks the vision of those who supported Ronald Reagan. Especially jack Kemp. ... As I blogged at his selection, Paul Ryan certainly learned a lot of economics from Jack. The thing I am hoping is that he also learned Jack's heart. .. For the good of ALL, repeat ALL the people in this great country.

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  • wsualumn wrote...
    Ron
    August 19, 2012 7:11 pm
    I didn't vote for Bush, but I support the winner. I want them to do well because if they do, everybody does. Ryan denied requesting stimulus money twice and then admitted he did so. There is difference a between The GOP and Dems. The Dems will stray more often. The Norquist Pledge has them tied even more. Fortunately, there were a few GOP members that realized signing a pledge was foolish. Many more conservatives aren't in favor of the bailouts over The Dems. If the bailouts hadn't occured, it would be much worse. Less debt, but no work. Nobody worries about the debt if they aren't working. I think Ryan's and Romney's stance on Social Security and Medicare will kill them.
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    Just two numbers, Wazzu -
    August 20, 2012 5:25 am
    8.3% - those not working who are still seeking work. They ARE worried about debt - their own.

    $750B - diverted from Medicare to Obamacare funding.

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  • RonJ wrote...
    I can hear it now.....
    August 19, 2012 9:22 am
    Lefties mothers will be telling children "eat your peas or George Bush will get you!".
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  • Paul Kersey wrote...
    you forgot sociopath,
    August 19, 2012 6:56 am
    thug, and narcissist.
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  • maplefish wrote...
    McConnel was right
    August 18, 2012 1:13 pm
    He already knew Obama was a total scham & would be a total disaster...which is 100% TRUE!
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  • Paul Kersey wrote...
    Traditional Values Coalition was also an intended target of this hate filled, homo-extremist.
    August 18, 2012 7:32 am
    They are also on the hit list target map put out by the anti-Christian hate group, Southern Poverty Law Center. The President of Traditional Values wrote to AG Eric Holder seeking protection but has had no response.

    "Under this Justice Department, Christians are a very low priority on their lists of concerns,” she said

    It is unfortunate, but necessary, that in the current political climate, Christians must take up arms to protect themselves. If not, eventually they will be slaughtered just as they are in Egypt.

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  • messiah101 wrote...
    Paul K
    August 18, 2012 8:41 am
    The President of Traditional Values ran to the AG for protection? Wow what kind of a pansy organization that represents Right Wing values would ever do that?Running to the government for help ,doesn't that just beat all? Funny but I heard another Conservative on a talk radio show complain that the Congress went on vacation instead of staying for extra sessions to find a way to get relief to the farmers effected from the lack of rain in the Midwest.Another example of the Right wanting MORE government intervention WHEN THEY FEEL THEY BENEFIT from it
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  • Paul Kersey wrote...
    maybe they had the mistaken belief
    August 18, 2012 8:52 am
    that the Department of Justice actually has anything to do with justice. I agree, they shouldn't make that mistake again, as long as Eric Holder runs it.
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  • It's me! Ha ha! wrote...
    The entire left wing in this nation NEEDS to be put on a hate group watch list.
    August 18, 2012 8:23 am
    The hate and venom being spew out in copious amounts from the state controlled talking head televangelist ministers of hate and racism and anti-American bigotry from the left is having it's effect on the weak of mind dull and unimaginative peoples within our nation. This person was, and still is, listening to this vile hate filled propaganda of the Obama regime. More and more members of the left in this nation, the true HATERS, are being influenced to perform more violent acts against Americans and the left wing media tries in vane to pin this on us Conservative Americans. And as usual the lie falls far short and is seen through clearly by us Americans.

    This is a clear sign of a desperate, And I mean VERY DESPERATE ObaamRegime it's humiliating defeat and as it nears Romney and Ryan Presidency!

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  • R L M 456 wrote...
    I am in full agreement with It's me
    August 18, 2012 8:45 am
    His statements are Sad but True
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  • wsualumn wrote...
    It's Me
    August 18, 2012 12:08 pm
    Put away the bottle. You think those televangelical ministers are from the left? You think they vote The Democratic ticket? Those that call for traditional marriage and condemnation of homosexuals? What about the church in Mississippi that denied the black couple the right to marriage in their church? Are you suggesting that they are Obama supporters? Which party has an ax to grind with Muslims and their Mosques? You sure seem to get a healthy dose of Glenn Beck.
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  • maplefish wrote...
    @wsualumn
    August 18, 2012 1:06 pm
    Lets do some math( I know they don't require that at WSU) if there are 1.2 Billion Muslim's on the planet and 10% of them have declared jihad on the infedls ( you & me- like it or not) that means there are over 120 MILLION Muslims that HATE INFIDELS and have vowed to exterminate us. Now, let's talk about that wacky "religion of peace" and HATE.,.
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  • wsualumn wrote...
    Maplefish
    August 18, 2012 3:07 pm
    Where do you come up with 10%? Tell me your source? Shall we discuss the checkered past of Christianity? The Spanish Inquisition? The various passages from Leviticus? How many innocent Iraqis were killed by our military because of about 10 hijackers of Muslim faith from Saudi Arabia? How about George Bush saying he talked with God about going to war Iraq? Now there is a fine example of a peace loving Christian not thinking about the lives of the innocent civilians. And no they aren't better off than they were before. I know a number of military personal that say it is worse and they aren't happy with what we did. Who do you think have been burning the mosques in this country? Peaceful loving Christians? Let me guess, you believe that The Constitution should be changed to making Christianity the official religion of The U.S.?
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  • maplefish wrote...
    WSU
    August 18, 2012 4:44 pm
    Louis Farakan is one of the main spokesmen for the "religion of peace" You are embarrassing yourself...and you are an idiot...
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  • maplefish wrote...
    And last time I checked
    August 18, 2012 4:52 pm
    I haven't seen ny Christians cutting innocent peoples heads off or strapping bombs on little kids to kill innocent people in crowded public area's so they can have sex with 72 virgins.... Or declaring publicly that the Jews and all Infidels must be exterminated. You are a friggin moron. Shut up and move to Afganastan. I'm actually embarrassed for you. You might actually be retarded...
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  • wsualumn wrote...
    maple
    August 18, 2012 7:34 pm
    Wow! I have enough impact to embarrass you? Get a life pal!
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  • wsualumn wrote...
    Maple
    August 18, 2012 8:08 pm
    Shall we use the example of The Westboro Church to match Farakan as well? You are ignoring the source of 10%. You are full of it!
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  • daveismenotyou wrote...
    George Bush,
    August 18, 2012 6:00 pm
    George Bush, George Bush, George Bush, George Bush, George Bush, George Bush, George Bush, George Bush, George Bush, George Bush, George Bush, George Bush, George Bush,
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    as usual..?
    August 18, 2012 8:26 am
    As usual, Dave, you start out making good sense - then twist it somehow to a liberal agenda I'm not sure even you are totally comfortable with.

    Start with the Southern Poverty Law Center. Probably well intentioned at first - and too their credit most of their identified 'hate groups' are nazi wanta-bes and ultra Black nationalist - including The Nation of Islam. ..But once past defining 'hate' as something just about everyone can agree on, they have expanded and expanded so that it seems if SOMEONE considers a group a 'hate group', it goes on their list.

    Given Joe Biden's puffery lately, I'm surprised the GOP isn't now identified by SPLC as a 'hate group'.

    But right, left or Mars, hate inspires hate. And as this 'gay rights' gunman demonstrates, the 'left' has as much hatred as anyone (some might say more, because they don't call their hate 'hate'). ... And as hate inspires hate, hatred inspires violence and violence killing. And often a LOT of killing - like in central Africa - or like ethnic cleansing.

    Unless we, here in America, actually WANT a civil war, it just might be time for civility - and not just on the right, Dave, but from the left who see themselves as perfect in every way. Like our good mayors in Chicago and Boston and San Francisco who hate restaurant owners with honest but different opinions, for example. Like Dan Savage who is now so far beyond tolerance that he'd likely outlaw the Catholic Church if he could.

    A skin head killing Sikhs. A gay rights idiot trying to kill. Hate is hate. .... But, uh Dave .. Dave, wake up. ..

    Once hatred inspire violence and killing - by ANY means - it's NO LONGER a 'moral debate'. it's HATE. And moral equivlancy has no meaning in hatred.

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  • ohyea53 wrote...
    Definition of a Racist----
    August 18, 2012 9:10 am
    a Conservative winning an argument with a Liberal
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  • Oly80 wrote...
    or...
    August 18, 2012 2:26 pm
    a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.

    you know, whatever.

    YOU, however, do seem to fit the definition of a bigot: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person ; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group.

    nice try, though!

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  • CH wrote...
    The hate and venom being spew out in copious amounts from talking head televangelist ministers of hate and racism and anti-American bigotry - sounds like a republican problem to me . . . .
    August 18, 2012 9:34 am
    I'm sure firegirl your on a hate group watch list. Please tell me you don't own a gun.
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  • ron prevost wrote...
    Gosh CH, I didn't know Jeremiah Wright was a Republican.
    August 18, 2012 2:31 pm
    Or do you have to actually be on TV to be a republican bigot?

    Or if you just preach hatred in a single church - that Obama attended but never paid attention at - do you get to stay a democrat bigot?

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  • Citizen of Krazy Town wrote...
    Dear Dave: Leviticus is the third book of the Hebrew Bible, and the third of five books of the Torah
    August 18, 2012 11:37 am
    As I am sure you know, in the New Testament, the Letter to the Hebrews states that the blood of Christ is the final offering, essentially obsoleting the sacrifices mandated in Leviticus.

    So, those "conservatives" you mention must be Jewish or Islamist, and we all know how they tend to vote....

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  • Citizen of Krazy Town wrote...
    A clarification
    August 18, 2012 11:46 am
    I mentioned Islamists which may have inferred that I was tying Leviticus to the Quran. It is not. I was merely including another religious sect that promotes execution for homosexual behavior.
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  • mnpat wrote...
    "Do words fire bullets?"
    August 18, 2012 12:23 pm
    I'm wondering if Dave is ready to go embark on a crusade against freedom of speech as he has on the right to own and bear arms. Listening to the dribble main stream media puts forth as news I definitely would love to see someone put a sock in the mouths of self proclaimed informed but biased media groups…..can anyone say MSNBC, KIRO, CBS
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  • maplefish wrote...
    @mnpat
    August 18, 2012 1:07 pm
    Brilliant!
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