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Is it ever okay to put your hands on your loved one in anger?

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Is it ever alright to put your hands on your significant other out of anger? A fierce debate is brewing on KIRO Radio’s Ron and Don Show after a woman allegedly pushed her husband to his death.

Ron, Don, and producer Libby are at odds following talk of the couple’s tragic end, which happened as they walked July 7 in Montana’s Glacier National Park just a week after getting married.

Jordan Linn Graham, 22, told authorities the couple had been arguing and her husband, Cody Lee Johnson, 25, grabbed her arm as she tried to walk away.

Court documents say “due to her anger, she pushed Johnson with both hands in the back, and as a result, he fell face first off the cliff.”

Graham is now charged with second-degree murder after first lying about what happened.

So was Johnson somehow at fault? Ron argues he was justified in grabbing her to get her attention.

“I think grabbing someone by the arm is totally within the realm of possibility for married couples,” Ron says. But Don and Libby couldn’t disagree more.

“You should never go hands on. Never, you don’t go hands on,” argues Don.

“The only way it’s okay to grab an arm is if you’re saving somebody from a ledge or something,” agrees Libby.

It goes downhill from there. Ron is convinced Don and Libby are blaming the victim.

“You guys are nuts. What kind of world are you guys living in?”

“That’s why there’s so much domestic violence because there are people like you that think when you’re angry it’s OK to touch someone or go hands on and then it escalates,” Don responds.

But Ron argues grabbing an arm doesn’t constitute domestic violence, let alone assault.

“You guys want to blame the victim and if the roles had been reversed here and it was a guy that had pushed a woman over, then the guy’s a monster…touching someone or holding their arm is not tantamount to domestic violence. It’s just not.”

Listeners are as split as Ron, Don, and Libby.

“No touching ever. Those are the laws. We have to obey the laws,” says listener Clyde.

“Just because you touch someone doesn’t mean that you’re necessarily assaulting them,” says Woodinville police officer and listener Seth.

“You ask any police officer the most dangerous call that they answer is a domestic violence call and it all starts with touching. The next thing you know, someone pulls a knife or a gun,” argues Don.

What do you think?

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