KSM NYC Terror Trial--Round 1

if we trash our own Constitution?

Trying this smoking dung heap in the manner *he* wants to be tried (military tribunal) tells the world our system of laws can't handle the tough stuff.

Come on Chuck, what do we gain? Do we showcase our fairness, do we serve the cause of justice or in some way make the world right? If we are going to go "all-in" and apply the laws applicable in our criminal justice system (non-military), how can we possibly get past the Miranda issue? if we suspend even that in this case, what does it do as a precedent for others that have been convicted in a military court who were not also provided a Miranda warning? The precedent of reaching into the military justice system to extricate a politically volatile combatant is a little scary and opens us up to even more ridicule on an international basis. Our administration is already perceived as weak, coddling and incompetent, how will this make that any better? How can this possibly benefit the cause of the United States? Watching this political BS is embarassing and to hear the lies that come from the Attorney General is laughable. The idea he didn't talk to the President before he made the decision is just downright funny. The AG doesn't have the authority to demand the transfer to civilian court unless it is endorsed by the President so this kind of smacks of something other than justice. When the terrorists are found not guilty due to technical issues and are released, how will the residents of New York who watched the towers fall in their backyard, feel about the "justice" system? Trying to be objective and measuring the administration's performance to date, if I were an employer, I'd have to fire them for gross incompetence.

Military tribunals are supposed to be within our "system of laws". Fix them, if they are not. That will prove to the rest of the world we're serious about justice. Keeping two systems, and applying them arbitrarily, will only continue to send the wrong message abroad.

with the rest of the "Failed Socialist" countries. America was onced perceived as the strongest country in the world. America lead by example not by compliance and complacency. America did not care what the French or the Germans or the Italians said about us - We followed our morals and values and lead by example. Today the administration and the "FAR LEFT" have tried to tell the world that our values have changed.... but Mr. Gould, look at the polls, look at the uproar and wake up. It's America, you're welcome to adhere to those values as an individual, but those are not the values of the majority of the American people, historically or currently. I'd love to take you on a trip throughout Europe Mr. Gould and introduce you to those who think Obama and his administration are weak and are fools... you might change your "Tune" if you experienced some "Real" truth for a change..

Osama bin Ladin is an international terrorist criminal. We sent our military to capture him, so far they haven't. The fact that we depoly our military doesn't make every military action a "war".

If we want to split legal hairs, when did we declare "war" in either Afghanistan or Iraq? How do you try somebody for war crimes when there isn't officially a war? Absence an official war, the offenses are criminal and civil- sort of like catching a foreign spy or saboteur.

That the WTC bombers were citizens. Not true. He kept making the argument KSM was taken on the battlefield. KSM grabbed in a "snatch" operation in Pakistan. Where was Norieaga tried after we invaded Panama and took down the government? How is KSM going to get a forum in a court with no cameras? By the way, Bob Barr (the guy Dori voted for) says KSM should be tried in civilian court.

The actual question isn't when or where this idiot is now going to be tried...but just the fact that he will finally will be! Cheney spent 6 years 'water-boarding' this numb-skull and trying all kinds of shenanighans to get him tried militarily and in guantanamo and none of it worked. So should Holder just wait another 6 or 8 years to figure out what to do? Thank goodness he didn't.

The fact is, we didn't declare a war on Osama Bin Lauden, but he was a target of significant interest. The war was declared on terrorism and reflects the fact that the face of war has really changed from two armies opposing each other on a battlefield to combatants within a civilian population who are seeking to harm US citizens and interests. It has turned into something that noone wants and something that is very hard to win but, in my opinion, it needs to be fought and its best to fight it somewhere other than the streets of Seattle. Most of the world lives with much less concern about the rights of the individual and it seems the more "civilized" a country gets the more effort is placed on doing things according to a set of rules the rest of the world rejects. A society can "civilize" itself out of existence and we are in danger of this. Rarely does a civilization fall because the enemy follows the rules. We won the Revolutionary War because we rejected the stand in a line and fire mentality that was considered "right". To say that anyone captured on foreign soil, in an area with an active military presence on a mission endorsed by the government, is subject to rights granted US citizens is naive, irresponsible and downright dangerous. Perhaps we can apply the rule of law from the country of their origin or the country in which they were captured but they should not be given the cushy treatment our thugs receive.

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The Constitution also gives the POTUS the power to prosecute war, once given permission by the Congress. Anyone with common sense and a knowledge of history knows that part of prosecuting a war is processing captured enemy fighters. Sorry, but Congress gave authorization for military action---just because they didn't say "1,2,3,4 I declare a thumb war!" doesn't mean we aren't at war. And the reason the Military tribunals were gunked up was because of ACLU-type lawyers like Holder. Can you imagine the hey-day they will get now that KSM gets a civilian trial?