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Seattle Sonics fans furious, heartbroken
The NBA's relocation committee dashed many a Sonics' fans dreams last month, and then the Board of Governors did it again on Wednesday.
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  • dadling wrote...
    Stern holds a long grudge
    Yes, Stern still holds a grudge against Seattle. The people that deserve the most blame for this situation are Frank Chop..leader of our state legislature...good old Mayor "bicycle" nichols and of course Howard $$$$ Schultz, who's still counting the money...along with Wally Walker...these folks started the bad feelings and let the Sonic's get shipped to OKC...now we're paying the bill...as long as Stern has any say whatsoever, we will never see the NBA in Seattle....hopefully he goes away...and doesn't play like the flu and keep coming back...too bad....we were let down by those named above..they deserve all the blame...
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  • EnglishRacer wrote...
    I don't understand
    Because they wouldn't turn over the public treasure to this man? You blame them because they refused to let the taxpayer be extorted? Professional sports people pile up cash like raking leaves and they demand that we build them a place to do business. They know that the fans are addicted to the game and they continue to play us. Stern will eventually win because he is using Seattle as an example. The lesson: If you want professional sports the taxpayer has to support them.
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  • ratrustle wrote...
    Well said Dadling
    Couldn't agree more with you. Frank Chopp and Howard Schultz are both to blame for the Sonics being gone. As a previous season ticket holder, I won't be back. The NBA has lost my dollars. I won't even watch this product on TV! I hope Chris Hansen can recoup his investment because he seems to have his heart and checkbook in the right place -- he's just playing a rigged game with a petty little man...
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  • jay from seattle wrote...
    the media failed to educate
    from day 1, the seattle group circumvented Stern, believing seattle could close the deal without Stern's support. OKC, Sacto were way smarter, both chose to work closely with Stern to get what they wanted. clearly it was NOT about $$$ but about egos and about showing your respect to Stern and get on to his good side. the seattle group insisted to prove their ego and show Stern the ring finger. until Stern proved that he also has a huge ego AND he got the votes, something seattle doesn't have. i blame seattle investment group putting their ego ahead of the mission, which is to get a team back to Seattle. now their ego is way diminished and we don't have a team. hope they learn the lesson.
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  • Eta Huinya wrote...
    jay from seattle
    So basically you're saying Hansen lost because he refused to kiss the ring of the Godfather? Perhaps you are right, if only Hansen would have sidled up close to Stern and stroked his ego for a while. Why Stern would have driven the trucks up to Seattle then himself! I never wanted to steal another cities team, I've had it done twice and almost a third time so I know how it feels. Can you admit that Hansen's biggest mistake was his honesty? I can, and I respect him because of that honesty. F David Stern AND his ring, that's what Hansen said. Did it cost him in the short term, it sure seems so. We will have to wait and see what happens next, Stern is an idiot to piss off a powerful loose cannon Billionaire like Ballmer.
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  • jay from seattle wrote...
    Eta Huinya
    i applaud your integrity of not wanting to do to another team what OKC did to seattle. as to Hensen's "honesty", i doubt that. remember, Hensen is a hedge fund manager (think '08 economic meltdown) living in San Francisco (not seattle). he made a decision to disregard Stern from day #1. also, seattle people forgot an inconvenient truth. Stern gave seattle the opportunity to keep Sonics but majority of voters voted against paying taxes for NBA team. that's why the team left town. then, Stern told seattle NOT to sue OKC after the team was moved but seattle went ahead to sue and won million$ indemnity. so Stern was screwed by seattle 2x. you can't blame the gun for carrying grudge.
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  • The Dude Abides wrote...
    JayfromSeattle
    Stern didn't give us an opportunity in '07 as you say. He put everyone in this area up against a wall bully style. We were barely a decade removed from tens of millions of taxpayer dollars spent renovating Key Arena up to NBA standards. We were told at the time that it was state of the art. If it was state of the art, we wouldn't have been told, as taxpayers, to sink another half billion dollars into an arena IN RENTON. That's right, Bennett and Stern wanted us to flip 2/3 of the bill to build a new arena, with no ownership or promise to repay to show for it, and it wasn't even going to be in Seattle! Who in their right mind would take that deal?!

    So ya, we told Stern where to stick it, and he's obviously holding a grudge against us for it. Why else would he work so hard to turn down the most unprecedented arena deal in sports history?

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  • jay from seattle wrote...
    The Dude...
    i am trying to be accurate here. if you research news archive, you will find that Stern did give seattle the chance to keep the team and only after the voters voted down the bond ballot, Stern began to work with the Clay group. btw, for full disclosure, i voted against using tax money to fund NBA, especially when our roads/schools are depleted. yes, Stern has a grudge against Seattle but so is Seattle has a grudge against Stern. Hansen from day 1 chose to disregard and disrespect Stern thinking that as long as he has the $$$, he could close the deal. this is against all public project financing i know which is never about $$$ but about politics and egos of the politicians who control the votes. i am really surprised that Hansen and Ballmer, both been in business for years did not recognize this.
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  • Frogsplash wrote...
    Jay, you can't be from Seattle
    There was no vote for paying taxes for an NBA team. It never made it out of the State Legislature. The city DROPPED it's lawsuit to try and hold the Sonics to their lease. There was nothing won. Bennett agreed to pay off the remainder of the lease. Seriously, you can't be from Seattle and not know these things.
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  • jay from seattle wrote...
    Frogsplash.
    you were misinformed. i stand by my statements. there were 2 lawsuits seattle initiated against the NBA and the Bennett Group (against Stern's counsel). the first suit went to trial, completed all testimony and deposition, but on the day before the judge rendered a verdict, the two sides reached a "settlement" totaled about $75 million. this forced settlement was one sour point for David Stern. the second lawsuit was also against Stern's advice when Schultz himself sued NBA. yes, there was no general citizenry referendum but the politicians saw the polling data, which clearly stated no support to raise taxes to keep team in seattle. more details from wiki to refresh your memory.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_SuperSonics_relocation_to_Oklahoma_City
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  • Frogsplash wrote...
    Jay, you moron, you should READ the links you post
    That "trial" was to hold the SOnics to the Key Arena lease, as I have explained. It was dropped the day before. It was against the Sonics, NOT the NBA. Stern helped negotiate the settlement. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3471503 In the wike link you provided, you moron, it says specifically, "Seattle sued Bennett's group to enforce the lease that required the team to play in KeyArena through 2010. On July 2, 2008, a settlement was reached that allowed the team to move under certain conditions." Again, the city did NOT sue the NBA, only Bennett to enforce the lease. The 2nd lawsuit was filed by Schultz was against BENNETT as well. It was desinged to void the sale agreement between the two. The NBA was never sued. Here, since you don't understand. http://seattletimes.com/html/sports/2004366809_websonisale23.html.
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  • Eta Huinya wrote...
    jay from seattle
    I was born, raised, and lived most of my life in the western side of Washington. I was a young child when the Sonics won the NBA title; somethings the Thunder once again failed to do. I remember the NBA approving the renovations on then Seattle Center Arena back then. I remember the Ackerley's selling the team to that idiot from Whorebucks who knew absolutely nothing about owning a sports team (something Stern LOVES). I remember that idiot running the team into the ground Maloofishly as well. I remember Stern brokering the deal for his buddy Bennett and co to buy the team, and all of them promising the fans that they were going to keep the team in Seattle. Do you remember what came after that? The insane stadium demands seemingly all publicly funded? The 'decision' to move the team to OKC because of the obvious failure of their unholy demands that they didn't want met to begin with? How about the lawsuit, do you remember Bennett and group being sued for violating the stadium agreement? How about the mayor suddenly dropping the lawsuit and'settling out of court' for a few million dollars from Bennett at Sterns guidance? Yes jay from seattle, I remember EVERYTHING, do you?
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  • LoonyBinEscapee wrote...
    Thanks for the explanation
    I didn't realize Obama was running the NBA as well.
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  • murr wrote...
    Laying the ground paper work
    for future legal action
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  • jay from seattle wrote...
    i don't believe the city council
    the Hensen Group proposal says it won't cost taxpayer a penny to build a new sports arena. having spent years working in government finance, i doubt that. when govt tells you it won't cost you a dime and you get more govt, you know tax hike is coming. i am glad we won't have a basketball for some time to come. as to NBA ball, i love following the game on TV. we don't need to pay more taxes to have "our own team" to enjoy NBA ball. hundreds of millions of fans around the world following NBA balls without having "their own team".
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  • Country_Dog wrote...
    Amen
    Obamacare won't increase your premiums a dime, but they are going up 400% in some cases.

    No public money will be used to build an arena... yeah, right.

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  • Finn wrote...
    You lost me at
    'working' 'Government' and 'Finance'
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  • Lessmith50 wrote...
    Jay from Seattle
    Flock Off your an idiot and who cares a flying f what you want smart arse.!!!
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  • wsshirling wrote...
    Whatever...
    To counter the "I have to catch a game in OKC," our mayor should hold a press conference wearing a seahawks jersey and a mariners hat and remind Seattle how good we have it now. Amazing people are getting this wound up over the NBA and David Stern. The league is an over-priced ponzi scheme that is only mildly interesting if you are one of the five teams that have enough talent to execute anything beyond a basic pick and roll. We have major league baseball which offers more affordable (and more often) opportunities to go attend a pro event and the NFL... which 97% of the people of Sacramento would trade the kings away for an NFL team.
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  • Newton wrote...
    Thank You Mr Stern.
    Its a good Day in Seattle. Now for the Citizens to get back the 200 million. The Triple over priced property be sold back to hansen. Seattle City Council voted out of thier Seats. Mayor Impeached. For Racketteering Colusion raiding the till and just plain Looting.
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  • Finn wrote...
    What are you babbling about?
    What 200 million? What property sold back to Hansen. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
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  • Lessmith50 wrote...
    Wsshirling
    What are you smoking? Major league baseball!!! That is a big joke. If anyone is pulling a ponzi scheme it is those lying morons at safeco field posing as a major league team. Hansen and ballmers group gave me hope! More hope that those clowns at safeco. Those morons that have ran he good ship mariners into the toilet give me no hope at all! So go ahead a be proud of that!
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  • wsualumn wrote...
    KARMA
    I hope it comes back to David Stern. Interesting how he worked so hard with Clay Bennett to get The Sonics out of Seattle and did the same to keep The Kings in Sacramento. I actually didn't want to see The Kings leave. They have a loyal fan base just like we did. It just seems to me they should have said that an expansion will be coming no later than 2015.
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  • SeattleNative wrote...
    I don't foresee and expansion team at all
    There aren't enough fans nationally to handle more teams and there are teams out there losing money year after year.
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  • SeattleNative wrote...
    ..."an" expansion team
    .
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  • The Dude Abides wrote...
    You're right and you're wrong, Native
    There are teams out there losing money, but most of those teams are either in much smaller markets or have owners that are putting a low-quality product on the court. Whether it's via expansion or via relocation, there are several larger markets that could run a thriving NBA team. Seattle, Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, San Diego, and Vancouver all have the potential to make buku bucks for the NBA, much as they are doing in other major pro sports. If the NBA doesn't want to expand, maybe it's time we took a look at some of those smaller markets and consider moving them to a city that can actually make money (Sacramento, Charlotte, Milwaukee, I'm looking at you first).
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  • Eta Huinya wrote...
    What does Stern have to hold a grudge about?
    It must be that the truth about Stern became blatantly obvious and loudly exposed by a very upset Seattle fanbase. Stern has done nothing but lie and help others lie to the fans, assisted Clay Bennett with the blatant theft of the Sonics, and has done nothing but treated the citizens of Seattle like we are pond scum not worthy of his great product. News flash Stern, your product STINKS. It is overpriced and really not that enjoyable to watch anymore. If it wasn't for the coaching brilliance of the Zen Master with the Bull's and Lakers I honestly feel the NBA would be dead because of Stern.
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  • soo purletiv wrote...
    Told ya so...
    I have nothing but contempt for the modern day NBA!

    Their bully tactics yanked a well supported team from the fans of Seattle. 41 years of support! Longer than I and many here have even lived!

    However, I was slightly hopeful that Hansen's group and their proposal was monumental. Grandiose enough to overcome even Fat Face Stern's obsessive objections.

    Not so!

    From the beginning, I clearly laid out the reasons the NBA would reject this offer. I was though, hopeful things had changed and my assumptions were wrong and not based on modern thinking.

    Boy was I wrong! Yet, unfortunately, right at the same time!

    The NBA, with Stern at the helm will never entertain Seattle as a serious contender. Fat Face will be out in early February 2014 or so.

    Maybe then. And I stress "MAYBE"! Maybe then Seattle will once again be in the running. Keep in mind though: Silver is a friend of Fat Face.

    Maybe not a close friend, but a friend none the less!

    My contempt for the NBA has now been strengthened and broadened!

    Although I expected this vote, I was somewhat hopeful the owners would rebuff Stern's recommendation and accept Hansen's proposal.

    Not so. Obviously, the owners are still for the most part, little trained zombies with their fearful tails tucked under their little arses when ever Fat Face emerges from his trough.

    Sad, yet real!

    But, in the end, I told you so!

    Sorry for that...

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  • Chief2Retired wrote...
    Well Supported?
    No one showed up for games the last few years. The Sonics are gone for multiple reasons. The previous owners, the NBA executives and no "fans" showing up to watch a lousy team.
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  • RichardO'Neill wrote...
    team was gutted
    Once Bennett and his cronies bought the team, they stripped it of all of its talent and brought in a old retread coach(PJ Carlisimo anyone?). The move was clear to lower attendance and fan morale. Before that the Sonics drew very well.
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  • TheDrake wrote...
    Stern holds a long grudge
    Blame it on our absolutely inept political leadership 5 years ago. Gregoire, Nickels, Chop and the others. Keeping the Sonics then was a simple task. But our politicians played it like the amateurs they are. However there was no way the owners were going to turn their back on Kevin Johnson. The media here was blind to the obvious.
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  • Frogsplash wrote...
    Somewhat true
    Believe it or not, Gregiore was one of the few supporters along with Prentice. The other part is that there was no way we were keeping the team. Bennett lied when he bought the Sonics about wanting to keep the team in Seattle. Emails from Aubrey McClendon prove that. He asked for about 300 million from the king county taxes, and another 100 million from Renton. He never did say how much the ownership group would put forward. 400 million, at the minimum, he was asking for from the public, was willing to pay zero for cost over-runs, and never did put a number on what he would chip in. His plan was designed to fail, and the NBA new it.
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  • Derrol_o wrote...
    Simple task?
    And what was it they should have done? Don't say "approving the arena" because it was DOA and designed to fail. So what simple task are you referring to?
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  • mlettini wrote...
    New League
    Let's start a new basketball league! There are a lot of cities that would love a professional basketball team. Stern is disgusting !!!!!!!!
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