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Are Jack Zduriencik and Eric Wedge steering the Mariners in the right direction?
General manager Jack Zduriencik and manager Eric Wedge are nearing the end of their respective contracts with the Mariners amid questions about the progress of the franchise's rebuilding effort.
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  • really?1 wrote...
    is this article from the onion?
    Wedge did not rebuild clevelands roster, in fact, that fan base will tell you haw their young talent didn't develop until he left. Just look what wedges decision cost the M's tonight. lol what a disaster. Kuma should have been left in to clean up his mess. 88 pitches and the AL ERA leader for a reason. Wedge needs to be fired so we have someone competent guiding our young roster. And Danny needs to write about the Seahawks and 90's hip hop. Anything outside of these subjects and he sounds like a head injury victim.
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  • Derrol_o wrote...
    really1
    On the other hand, a lot of people are knocking Wedge for leaving Felix in too long against the Angels a little while back when they reeled off seven straight hits against him. If he played both scenarios wrong and should be fired for it, then where does he draw the line and what determines the difference between too long and not long enough? Gotta remember too that he doesn't have the benefit of hindsight that the fans do.
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  • Pilate wrote...
    really?1
    2007 Indians - Travis Hafner, Grady Siezmore, C.C. Sabbathia, Jhonny Peralta, Victor Martinez, Cliff Lee, Shin-Soo Choo, Kelly Shoppach, Asdrubal Cabrera, and Franklin Gutierrez, all of them under 30 at the time. 96 wins, team batting average of .268, and the third best team ERA in the league that year. Not only that, but the pythagorean prediction for the Indians in '07 was 91 wins. So, the manager that doesn't know what he's doing was able squeeze out five more wins than the stat-heads figure he should have based on runs scored vs. runs against. Huh. Not bad for a manager that can't work with young players and doesn't know how to play the game within the game.

    I'll roll the dice with Wedge for a few more years.

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  • irony wrote...
    wedge is playing the hand he's dealt.
    thanks to cheapskate chuck armstrong.
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  • darrengrama wrote...
    a better question is...
    ...do I care or not? And I'm not sure. The Mariners have been bad for the last decade and they're going to stay bad. So I don't really care who leads them. But if I'm pressed to answer, I'm inclined to go by the rule "if it walks like a duck...", they don't look to be headed in the right direction so I'd say we can attempt to explain it all to death but no, they probably are going to stay bad.
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  • TDTinDC wrote...
    wedge
    I agree that they need more time. if you change the course now, it will take even longer to rebuild. You would begin re-inventing the wheel again. Also, I have seen a number of prospects we gave up on too early go elsewhere and have success.
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  • TDTinDC wrote...
    dc
    what I am saying is I've been watching this team since the beginning. I've seen them trade off pitching prospects to get hitting and trade off hitting prospects because we couldn't pitch. Now we have prospects everywhere and I am willing to wait a little longer. If a new regime comes in now and has a different approach, we will be waiting another 3-4 years anyway.
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  • rikilee wrote...
    Baseball People
    Finally we have baseball people making baseball decisions. It looks like dumb and dumber upstairs are staying out of the way. We have a GM that keeps bringing young talent here and a manager that is letting these kids grow together on the field. Firing everybody would be Stupid.But its the Ms ,, and they do Stupid real good.This is the right road to go down. Hopefully Lincoln and Armstrong let them finish what they started.This young team sprinkled with average Vets has been a lot of fun to watch this year,and is only going to get better.But we know the Ms,they'll buckle under media and fan pressure, and we'll be waiting another 6 or 7 years,,,
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  • Dan1 wrote...
    Maybe Jack, maybe
    Wedge needs to go, he is not a leader and does not have the right drive and motivation to mold all the new guys.
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  • John wrote...
    People vote with their butts in the seats...
    Nobody is showing up. They have to have fireworks and old time goofy uniforms to have people to show up. What goofy stuff is next?
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  • daveismenotyou wrote...
    John,
    That isn't all they do! They also fly gay pride flags and give out garbage on the way out. What else do you need?
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  • joe1303 wrote...
    Good thoughts
    Very good and insightful article Danny! I am frustrated by the rebuilding process as other's are, but agree that we are now seeing the talent Jack Z has brought in from the draft. I would like to see the players grasp the mentality it requires to be champions and that Wedge wants to instill in the group. I want to see how the rest of the year plays out. If the team does not tank, then don't take the GM & Mgr.
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  • heyjim55 wrote...
    Keep them both for now
    I say extend their terms and lets see what these kids do. Breaking things up will have a negative affect of their players. I see improvements every where. These young players are going to hit give them more time. I also think they should resign Ibanez, they will have to let Morales go because he may be to expensive to sign and he may want out anyway. I would extend wedge one more year and the same for Jack Z if he will agree to it.
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  • Rayvensdad wrote...
    Not a fan of Wedge, still a fan of Jack Z.
    Most of Jack Z.'s moves were both understandable and believed to be good by most baseball minds in the industry. Chone Figgins was his worst FA acquisition, but NO ONE saw that he'd drop of that significantly. Doug Fister is his worst trade, and NO ONE saw Dougie Fista turning into that type of a pitcher, though I really liked him when he was a Mariner. Dustin Ackley and Justin Smoak were lauded as being can't miss guys. Little did anyone realize, Dustin Ackley doesn't have the mental capacity to deal with failure and Justin Smoak doesn't have the mental capacity to deal with pressure. Justin is the exact opposite of a clutch hitter. Jesus Montero is still a very young, immature product that needs time to saturate.

    Now seeing Nick Franlkin, Brad Miller, and Mike Zunino... all three players that should stay in Seattle and continue doing what they do, leaves me hopeful for Jack Z. ultimately. The fact that Hultzen, Paxton, and Walker haven't even had their first cup of tea yet also leaves me excited.

    Wedge's decisions leaves me completely speechless, though. Iwakuma is pitching to potentially sweep the Rangers... and Wedge plays Brendan Ryan instead of Brad Miller, Hentry Blanco instead of Mike Zunino, and sits Dustin Ackley. THE LAST THING these young men need are extra days off. The team has had like 3 days off in the last week and a half. And I DON'T want to hear about, "Well I have to play the other guys."... Brendan Ryan has over stayed his welcome and Blanco is 41, he's played enough! Thank god Wedge never coached Cal Ripken Jr., he'd never hit that consecutive games record. And when it comes to strategy, Wedge is a numbskull... and that's being nice. A man on 1st and 2nd, no outs, and a singles hitter is up to bat, BUNT!!! Idiot! I don't know how many times I've seen situations like that and we ground into a double play. You bunt, ESPECIALLY when your consistent hitters are coming up right after.

    If we kept Jack Z., but tossed Wedge, I wouldn't mind. In fact, I'd jump for joy. If anyone thinks Wedge is the best we can get, then either they are delusional... or we're all screwed.

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  • clevesside wrote...
    Concern remains with the "Core" group.....
    ...of Smoak, Ackley and 3rd to be named later (not Montero, he's in "Pineda Mode." Call it The Trade From Hell). If Ackley and Smoak cannot show degrees of improvement, then there's an issue with the program and coaching itself. This should include the young BP pitchers and maybe Mike Saunders, although he's hurt. Another consideration is mega-number of injuries...what tha?? Finally what to replace it with? A vacuum? Cuz that's what's out there in case they dive again by September.
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  • irony wrote...
    not exactly...but sort of for 1/3 of the equation
    there are 3 basic and not necessarily equal parts to building a team. the draft and farm system, trades and prospects from trades, and then there's free agency. on the first two Z is doing great for what he has. on free agency his hands are tied by chuck armstrong who came to the team from george agryros california business. mr. argyros is notoriously cheap and so is chruck. so Z cannot offer fielder or even cliff lee $15 - $25 million per year. those are the free agents you need to pick up every 3 or 4 years to add to the team, not the washburn types.
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