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12th Man gets no respect in new NFL fan rankings
Seahawks fans are among the best in the NFL, right? Not necessarily, if you believe a new study that ranks the 12th man just 23rd best when it comes to loyalty and support.
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  • Hawkman wrote...
    its about right
    we have a lot of band wagoneers and fair weathered fans here in Seattle. It will take us getting a history of Superbowls and history for the fan base to broaden and maintain support during the lean years. Places like New England and Pit for example have a long history and many victorious years to build a long tender of loyal fans. We will get there , looks like sooner than later. Go Hawks!!
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  • PatrickH wrote...
    I have no problem with fair weather fans...
    As long as they only play for money, I only watch if they are winning. Pro sports are a business. Fortunately it looks like the Hawks have a good product right now.
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  • dragonmeteor wrote...
    no problem?
    Most likely because you are one yourself. And I wouldn't call you a fan. You are more of a follower. Don't bother jumping on the bandwagon this year because there is no way in he11 that I am gonna let you get on. Sorry it's reserved for the REAL fans. And just so you understand. Pro sports are not a business, they are a release from the everyday hassles where people can get together, grab a beer, and enjoy life for 3 hours or so
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  • KZMike wrote...
    Sorry. . . but
    Pro Sports are a business, other wise, why would the athletes be paid the huge amounts, fans pay the high prices for tickets and all the other items bought at various venues. Ask Seahawk Mgt whether they are running a business or not. A real fan. . . what definition would you have. . . aside from the high level of arrogance you exude as an example of a 'real fan'
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  • maxwell161 wrote...
    Yep sports are a business
    but that doesn't mean fans have to change allegiances every season. A true fan roots for their team through good times and bad, business or not.
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  • spuddog wrote...
    dragonmeteor...
    you're not going to let him on? Who died and made you the wagon-master?
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  • rkris1 wrote...
    the "he11" do you care?
    who cares if somebody jumps on the wagon while they're good? if this is really about people getting together and enjoying life, let everybody on board, man; there's plenty of room. let the wagon jumpers jump, and just keep enjoying the ride.
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  • mattimus wrote...
    I agree Pat
    Chicago Cubs have a loyal fan base. Look where that's gotten them. It IS a business. You put crap out on the field that isn't entertaining, I'm not watching it. You want to spend $500+ at a game and watch crap to call yourself a fan, so be it. I can BBQ at home and watch some good football somewhere else. College football is a different story. I support those kids through thick and thin. They put a lot of time and effort in with very little compensation. Supporting them through the tough times is much more commendable than making millionaires feel good about a crappy season.
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  • rkris1 wrote...
    i don't understand...
    ...the sort of animosity between fans. you like sports, you watch it how you watch it. i can't help myself but be a mariners fan through thick and thin, myself, regardless of it being a business. doesn't mean i'm spending $100+ to go to a game, maybe just means i'm listening on the radio or watching on tv at home. but...that's my vice. the whole "i'm a better fan because i _____" [support my pro team no matter what] OR [support college kids because it's more "commendable"] stuff is just garbage. enjoy sports, enjoy your teams, and quit giving a good g__ d___ about how other sports fans watch sports.
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  • SC Broncos wrote...
    So does everyone else
    Bandwagoners are everywhere in every community from everyteam. Fans are pretty loyal. By the looks of the top team, they are very trendy teams. Cowboys have always been America's team, they market themselves well and travel well. Other than that New England is only high on the list because they were the team of the 2000's, NY Jets because they, well NY has 8 mil in the city limits, and NO, I can only think of because of recent events. I am surprised Oak is last, because other than in the bay, they have a very loyal nation wide fan base.
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  • maxwell161 wrote...
    The Browns
    have some of the best fans in football. Their team usually is terrible but the support they get from the city is incredible. Every game is sold out even if they are 2-14. Also have a large Browns-backers organization throughout the country. They deserve to be in the top 10 of this list.
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  • soo purletiv wrote...
    The Hawks are like...
    "THAT" neighborhood coffee shop. Quaint, but just how we like it!

    When outsiders visit, they may find fault, but we ignore those criticisms, cause we LOVE that coffee shop.

    Many don't even know about that coffee shop. But does that stop us from visiting, and enjoying our "12th Cup"? Hexx no!

    As a 12th man fan, I could not care less what an Emery (sic) University study concludes. I still have the same feelings and emotions despite this "study".

    As much as I love my hidden coffee shop, I have to add my personal experience...

    I travel the states a lot. I always try to engage clients and colleagues alike in common ground interests. Sports is almost always a common denominator and an ice breaker. I can guarantee everyone on this blog one thing: NFL fans, no matter where I go, openly and sometimes seethingly acknowledge that Seattle is one of the hardest places to win in the NFL.

    And they are all aware of Russell Wilson and Marshawn Lynch.

    The 12th man may be obscure to some elites who just push pencils and poke keyboards and analyze data.

    But those of us residing here in the PNW as well as many other NFL fans are well aware of who we are and what we stand for...

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  • messiah101 wrote...
    SooP
    So you equate NOISE with being great fans?Everyone knows that the REAL NFL fan paints his face removes his shirt (only when temps are below freezing)stands during the entire game,gets drunk then pukes all over his Russel Wilsin shirt in the parking lot after the game is over (win or lose)All this for about 16 minutes of actual football action.How do you spell CHUMP? NFLFAN thats how
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  • Derrol_o wrote...
    Equate noise with being great fans?
    Absolutely. That's the main reason why I'll go to the stadium every chance I get rather than watching it on TV. The volume is what it's all about and you don't get that on TV. And the noise is a gauge on how passionate the fans are about their team. By the way, a lot of your fellow libs are NFL fans so, careful who you call chump. A lot of libs seem to be anti-sports for some reason but around here, they like their Seahawks.
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  • rkris1 wrote...
    c'mon, now
    that's only the bellevue police department that acts like that at 'hawks games.
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  • Roark wrote...
    We kind of brought it on ourselves
    That lone Superbowl made Seattle fans look like they loved the big money they could get for their tickets a lot more than they loved their team. The Superbowl looked and sounded like a Steelers home game.
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  • SC Broncos wrote...
    Driving distance
    Detroit is within driving distance of Pitt. So it was way easier for Pitt fans to travel there. Plus non Sea-Pitt fans sided with Pitt because that team had way better story lines and history going into that game.
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  • Derrol_o wrote...
    I was just gonna say that too
    The closer proximity to Pittsburgh was the main reason. It had nothing to do with a lack of fan loyalty on the part of Hawk fans.
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  • Bellinghamspence wrote...
    Emery college?
    What the heck is emery college? What is their expertise in professional football?
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  • seahawks506 wrote...
    emory
    emory university in atlanta. this is probably just a marketing study into the industry based on quantifiable statistics. Emory is more than a reputable school, they're ranked top-20 in the US in undergrad and their b-school is tops as well. again, they're looking at fan bases as potential revenue, not loyalty/awesomeness.
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  • Seattle??? wrote...
    Emory U not Emery U
    It's E-m-o-r-y University not Emery. Who writes/edits this ... graduates of the U of Worshingten? Let's be honest, the Seahawk fan universe has been degraded by the continued Californication of Seattle: "Hey ... take a hit off this, dude". Welcome to the Jungle.
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  • CarbonRiver wrote...
    Probably Right
    Blue Pride list was whittled down to just about nothing back in the dark days of 2009 & 2010 seasons. 12th Man was still at the games but he didn't have much company back then. It wasn't really until beastquake that the bandwagon really started to fill up. I have no problem with the bandwagon fans though, they're the chumps paying me 2-3x face for my tickets for the few games I can't make and they won't be in the lottery for tickets at Jets/Giants Stadium.
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  • marshawnsgrillz wrote...
    no
    the ones paying you 2-3x face value are opposing fans. so thanks for that.
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  • CarbonRiver wrote...
    your're thinking of the M's
    There are a fair share of opposing fans scattered around at any Hawks game but they never were like the M's where they can only get fans in the stadium by playing the Blue Jays of all things (will freely admit I'll only ever be a M's bandwagon fan). Could barely get face value for games during the down years. There aren't that many opposing team fans who just showed up coincidentally when the team got good again.
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  • Country_Dog wrote...
    A city that gets excited about soccer
    and waves their wacky scarves does not deserve to get a high NFL fan rating. Folks in Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and St. Louis have a lot more "grunt" than we do.
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  • bigbertha wrote...
    another couple of guys thinking they know it all!!
    we here in the PNW know that the 12th man is the best fan base in the NFL by far.
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  • Northwest Homer wrote...
    Cowboys Fans?
    They are only loyal until the first loss of the season. Then they put away there jerseys until the next year. Worst band wagoners in the league!
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  • saipaner wrote...
    really?
    i hate the cowboys...but no one can deny their calling...they have really loyal fans. until seattle can go decades of sold out games...come back and talk. 1. newer stadium, 2. bus line, 3. not much to do in the winter months, and 4. winning team. tell me how aweseome the fans are during a non-winning season...lol
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  • Katbird_27 wrote...
    oh really?
    we have had YEARS of season ticket wait lists! in fact the wait list was just about gone and then it had to be started up again with the new stadium. when the neighborhood learned what those who went to the games knew. seahawks fans are LOUD and proud! the seahawks have had more losing seasons than winners, yet look at the fans we are STILL here!
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  • DJFavorite wrote...
    This quote...
    "they based it on a formula that factors in box-office revenues relative to on-field success, market population", I believe is the key to why Seattle is ranked where they are. When we don't have on-field success, we don't have every game sold out before the season starts. We have a lot of 'fair weather' fans. I'm betting right now you can't find a 'Wilson' jersey in any store, but during seasons when we weren't so hot, they couldn't get any jersey sold.
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  • Katbird_27 wrote...
    i agree
    that is no way to base a study on fans. they need to do it based on the fans at the games (home AND away) as well as product sales.
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