KIRO NEWSRADIO

Singer/Songwriter Linda Perry’s last meal + how sound can affect taste

Apr 23, 2018, 6:24 PM | Updated: Oct 11, 2024, 9:41 am

Linda Perry (Photo courtesy of Linda Perry)...

Linda Perry (Photo courtesy of Linda Perry)

(Photo courtesy of Linda Perry)

4 Non Blondes frontwoman Linda Perry is known for the 1992 hit, “What’s Up.” But since then Perry was inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame, penning huge hits for Christina Aguilera, P!nk, Gwen Stefani, Weezer, Ziggy Marley and more. Perry is the latest guest on my podcast, Your Last Meal, but it was hard to squeeze an answer out of her.

“I’m vegan and I’m very weird about food,” Perry said. “But as far as what I was going to eat for my last meal, if I was going to eat something… Let me look at it this way: I eat to survive, it’s not for comfort. My mom is Brazilian and we didn’t have money so we lived a lot off of my mom trying to turn Spam into some kind of Portuguese delicacy. We drank powdered milk. I’ve had tuna every single way it possibly could been made. So my first experiences of food weren’t that great.”

Linda’s comfort food is music. She’s happiest playing a piano, singing, recording with other artists. So I chatted with Oxford Professor Charles Spence, who has been studying the relationship between sound and taste for 15 years. Through many experiments, he has determined that people think oysters taste more delicious when listening to sounds of the sea, as opposed to other music and sounds. But certain flavors also correspond with certain sounds. He calls it sonic seasoning.

“Most people will associate sweet tasting foods with high pitched sounds,” Spence said. “Bitter tasting foods like black coffee and dark chocolate with low pitched sounds. Sharp sounds for sour tastes. So we’ve built up this kind of musical menu that people will associate with different tastes and flavors. We then pass those results to sound designers and they will create soundscapes or bits of music that embody the scientific results.”

Then he’ll conduct experiments: food will be served, corresponding music will be played, and people will remark that the flavor of the food changes or tastes better or worse depending on what they’re listening to.

“I think it’s really about accentuating something that’s already there,” said Spence. “If I gave you something that had a little less sugar in it than normal, maybe I could dial back up the sweetness, sonically. That’s exactly the sort of thing that’s going on now in places like [at a particular cafe] in Vietnam where they deliberately have reduced the sugar content of their cakes, their pastries, their drinks, but make sure to play sweet music 24/7 so hopefully the customer’s experience is the same sweetness they’ve always known and love. But it’s delivered with a little bit more sugar on the tongue and a little more sweetness on the ear.”

You may remember a story I did a few years ago about why people drink tomato juice on planes, but not on the ground. Spence explains in the latest episode of my podcast, Your Last Meal. Hear more from him and Linda Perry, where ever you get your podcasts: iTunes, stitcher or yourlastmealpodcast.com

This photo provided by NASA shows an overhead crane raising the Swift spacecraft, wrapped in a prot...

Associated Press

NASA telescope is on the verge of plunging back to Earth after failed rescue mission

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — An aging NASA telescope is barely clinging to space after a failed rescue effort left it tottering lower and lower. The U.S. Space Force predicts the Swift Observatory will come crashing down on or around Friday. Most of the 1 ½-ton telescope is expected to burn up in the atmosphere. […]

19 minutes ago

Jake Skorheim and Spike O'Neill Show

‘We are not going to become fully staffed likely in our lifetime’: Rantz warns Seattle police shortage is worsening

Seattle’s police staffing shortage is getting worse, Jason Rantz, warned recruiting challenges and the city’s reputation could impact staffing goals.

21 minutes ago

‘Getting sick should not financially ruin you’: Gee backs starting with primary care for everyo...

Gee Scott and Ursula Reutin Show

‘Getting sick should not financially ruin you’: Gee backs starting with primary care for everyone in WA

Gee Scott WA’s debate over universal health care should begin with a principle people can agree on, even if they disagree about how to pay for it. “

22 minutes ago

‘We don't have a revenue problem’: Matt McIlwain urges Washington voters to repeal income tax...

Jake Skorheim and Spike O'Neill Show

‘We don’t have a revenue problem’: Seattle venture capitalist urges voters to repeal WA’s income tax

Matt McIlwain, the a director of Madrona, argued Washington needs to rein in spending rather than impose an income tax.

22 minutes ago

Chase Sapphire Lounge coming to SEA airport under $70M project...

Regan Gallo-Fenz

Chase Sapphire Lounge coming to SEA airport under $70M project

New upgrades at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (SEA) are giving Chase Bank cardholders even more reasons to arrive early for their flights.

22 minutes ago

In this photo taken with a smartphone Rep. Shomari Figures, D-Ala., speaks to Jo Ellen Simmons at t...

Associated Press

Alabama Republicans thought they had drawn a safe US House seat. A Black congressman had other ideas

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — When the U.S. Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act this year, U.S. Rep. Shomari Figures knew he was going to be targeted. Alabama’s Republican-controlled Legislature soon after redrew the 2nd Congressional District, one of only two in the state represented by a Democrat, to make it easier for the GOP […]

34 minutes ago

Singer/Songwriter Linda Perry’s last meal + how sound can affect taste