‘Most MAGA people wouldn’t care’: MSNBC contributor says Epstein list won’t make a difference
Jul 27, 2025, 6:01 AM
In the latest development of the Jeffrey Epstein list investigation, Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s former partner, finished interviews with Justice Department officials on Friday, answering questions about 100 different people, The Associated Press reported.
Although many are eager for names to be released, MSNBC contributor and professor at Morgan State University, Dr. Jason Johnson, told “The Gee and Ursula Show” on KIRO Newsradio that it won’t make a difference.
“It doesn’t matter, because the only value — people are like, ‘Oh my gosh, this is a terrible day for Trump.’ And people are upset, and his own MAGA people — if no one is going to change their vote, and I don’t just mean like regular voters, I mean if members of Congress are going to continue to do whatever it is that Donald Trump wants them to do, who cares about the Epstein list? Who cares? I mean, most of it’s already baked into the cake,” Johnson said.
MSNBC contributor says Trump’s supporters are indifferent to Epstein list
Johnson added that Trump’s voters live in FOX News echo chambers and are not hearing about the Epstein list, or they don’t care and believe it’s AI.
“You could have a video of Donald Trump having an orgy with like underage trans children. And most MAGA people wouldn’t care. They wouldn’t care. They’d say it was fake. You can have all the letters and all the pictures of him and these people that you want,” he remarked.
On Wednesday, a judge rejected a Trump administration request to unseal transcripts from grand jury investigations of Epstein in 2005 and 2006, saying the documents did not meet any of the extrinsic exceptions under federal law that would require them to be public.
Epstein, who was a wealthy financier, was arrested in 2019 on federal sex trafficking charges and a month later was found dead in his jail cell. Maxwell was charged with aiding Epstein’s abuse of teen girls. The case went public due to Epstein and Maxwell’s links to famous people, including President Donald Trump.
Johnson believes the national press is looking for an easy way out.
“They want a salacious story that’s going to, quote, unquote, save us from Donald Trump, but nothing will save us from Donald Trump other than disaster history and possibly voting,” he said.
KIRO host Gee Scott asked why Trump has such a firm grip on the American people.
“One thing you’ve got to remember, 40-some percent of these people agree with him,” Johnson said. “We keep wanting to turn these folks into victims. We keep wanting to say, ‘Oh, they’re afraid.’ No, they agree with him. They agree with him on most of the things that he’s doing and the things that he does that they don’t like — they just hope that they won’t suffer.”
Listen to the full conversation below.
Contributing: The Associated Press
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